So the CMA is the only holdout for MS Activision deal.....and MS is considering WITHDRAWING from UK market altogether if they don't unblock it

[Remij 4,679]

Just now, TLHBO said:

Almost word for word you've copied that from shills on other sites

LOL no I didn't.  But, thanks... I guess  

[TLHBO 2,162]

1 minute ago, Remij said:

LOL no I didn't.  But, thanks... I guess  

Yes you fucking did That or the theory about lemshits all being given their talking points from a single source sponsored by microsoft is true.

[Remij 4,679]

Just now, TLHBO said:

Yes you fucking did That or the theory about lemshits all being given their talking points from a single source sponsored by microsoft is true.

God damn you're fucking stupid... like legitimately retarded  

[jehurey 3,230]

I don't think he copied it, because it doesn't make the slightest bit of legal sense

 

He still doesn't understand that CMA is not reviewing the case. There is no more "additional evidence" to provide.

 

The CMA is only reviewing if their work is accurately compiled, from which they derived their conclusions.

 

That information is not going to change, and their conclusions will remain the same.

 

No amount of "BUT SEE....THE AMERICANS DID THIS!" is going to change anything.

[Remij 4,679]

8 minutes ago, jehurey said:

I don't think he copied it, because it doesn't make the slightest bit of legal sense

 

He still doesn't understand that CMA is not reviewing the case. There is no more "additional evidence" to provide.

 

The CMA is only reviewing if their work is accurately compiled, from which they derived their conclusions.

 

That information is not going to change, and their conclusions will remain the same.

 

No amount of "BUT SEE....THE AMERICANS DID THIS!" is going to change anything.

lol.. it DOES make sense...  LOL you think I'm making it up that MS is appealing?  You think the appeal process exists for no reason and that MS doesn't see an avenue to solve the issue?  

 

You don't seem to understand that the CAT can order the CMA to disregard aspects of their previous decision, leading them to NOT be able to consider them when reviewing the case again... and you DO realize that the only SLC that the CMA put forward was the Cloud market?  If the CAT agrees with MS and decides that the CMA made their decision irrationally without proper understanding of the market, the CMA will have to find A DIFFERENT reason to block the merger, and they've already discarded their console theory of harm...

 

Considering that... and the fact that literally every other jurisdiction has approved the deal... would make it very hard for the CMA to justify blocking the merger.

[jehurey 3,230]

25 minutes ago, Remij said:

lol.. it DOES make sense...  LOL you think I'm making it up that MS is appealing?  You think the appeal process exists for no reason and that MS doesn't see an avenue to solve the issue?  

 

You don't seem to understand that the CAT can order the CMA to disregard aspects of their previous decision, leading them to NOT be able to consider them when reviewing the case again... and you DO realize that the only SLC that the CMA put forward was the Cloud market?  If the CAT agrees with MS and decides that the CMA made their decision irrationally without proper understanding of the market, the CMA will have to find A DIFFERENT reason to block the merger, and they've already discarded their console theory of harm...

 

Considering that... and the fact that literally every other jurisdiction has approved the deal... would make it very hard for the CMA to justify blocking the merger.

There no appeal to the overall decision

 

The appeal is only on the grounds of the calculations and tabulation done by the CMA to arrive at the statistics that they arrived FROM WHICH THEY DERIVE THEIR DECISION

 

The only way the decision changes is if they find out their math is wrong.

 

You simply are not understanding this.

 

This is not an appeal in the traditional sense.

[Remij 4,679]

20 minutes ago, jehurey said:

There no appeal to the overall decision

 

The appeal is only on the grounds of the calculations and tabulation done by the CMA to arrive at the statistics that they arrived FROM WHICH THEY DERIVE THEIR DECISION

 

The only way the decision changes is if they find out their math is wrong.

 

You simply are not understanding this.

 

This is not an appeal in the traditional sense.

I literally JUST explained in the post you quoted what actually happens here.  The Tribunal reviews the case, and if MS wins and shows the CMA acted irrationally with a misunderstanding of the market, the case goes back to the CMA with the direction that they MUST NO LONGER CONSIDER THOSE ASPECTS WHICH LEAD THEM TO THE DECISION THEY MADE, and they have to find a DIFFERENT theory of harm.... and the problem is that they ALREADY dismissed the console theory of harm... so they can't run to that again.

 

And btw...  the CMA's math WAS wrong.  They have a complete miscarriage of an understanding of the cloud market.. and literally every other jurisdiction now knows that.

Edited June 13, 2023 by Remij

[TLHBO 2,162]

1 hour ago, jehurey said:

I don't think he copied it, because it doesn't make the slightest bit of legal sense.

It doesn't need to make sense. Go look around, this is almost word for word what all the xbox shills are saying. They all copy the same talking points from each other then go out to spread the bullshit to forums and social media It's like a warped religion. I've seen many saying the same shit he just said. He got it from them so now he thinks it's true.

 

[TLHBO 2,162]

1 hour ago, Remij said:

God damn you're fucking stupid... like legitimately retarded  

And you're a liar. It's no coincidence you're posting that like 24 hours after shills elsewhere said the same shit. You didnt come to this conclusion on your own.

[Remij 4,679]

3 minutes ago, TLHBO said:

And you're a liar. It's no coincidence you're posting that like 24 hours after shills elsewhere said the same shit. You didnt come to this conclusion on your own.

 

Jesus christ, get off my dick retard   

[jehurey 3,230]

1 hour ago, Remij said:

I literally JUST explained in the post you quoted what actually happens here.  The Tribunal reviews the case

No.

 

You are just plain wrong.

 

There is NO OTHER GOVERMENT BODY in the UK that overturns the CMA and their decisions.

 

The appeal is made, and then the review is made by..........CMA

 

there is nobody else. Nobody supersedes them, nobody else overrules them.

 

They are independent.

[Remij 4,679]

52 minutes ago, jehurey said:

No.

 

You are just plain wrong.

 

There is NO OTHER GOVERMENT BODY in the UK that overturns the CMA and their decisions.

 

The appeal is made, and then the review is made by..........CMA

 

there is nobody else. Nobody supersedes them, nobody else overrules them.

 

They are independent.

 

You're an idiot.  The CAT ABSOLUTELY 100% DECIDES if the case goes back to the CMA... AND AND AND... whether or not they can CONTINUE TO USE THE SAME ARGUMENT AS BEFORE TO REACH THAT DECISION.

 

That's LITERALLY WHAT THEY ARE MEANT FOR.  The case goes back to the CMA... but the CMA ABSOLUTELY MUST FOLLOW THE DIRECTION OF THE CAT.  PERIOD.

 

Edited June 13, 2023 by Remij

[jehurey 3,230]

33 minutes ago, Remij said:

 

You're an idiot.  The CAT ABSOLUTELY 100% DECIDES if the case goes back to the CMA... AND AND AND... whether or not they can CONTINUE TO USE THE SAME ARGUMENT AS BEFORE TO REACH THAT DECISION.

 

That's LITERALLY WHAT THEY ARE MEANT FOR.  The case goes back to the CMA... but the CMA ABSOLUTELY MUST FOLLOW THE DIRECTION OF THE CAT.  PERIOD.

 

No.

 

There is no such things that are governed by other government bodies outside of the CMA and they do.

 

There is only ONE TYPE of appeal. Nobody else dictates what is being appealed because it's already predetermined what can only be appealed.

 

And it's not their conclusions, only their research.

[Remij 4,679]

The FTC was just granted a TRO, which means that MS cannot close the deal for at least two weeks.  The TRO doesn't kill the deal... the preliminary injunction is what kills the deal or not, and the FTC has to get both.  So we'll know for sure in 2 weeks.

 

Regardless where you stand.. it looks like Microsoft successfully got the FTC worried enough about closing the deal that they filed the TRO.  Now we wait and see if the judge grants the PI.

Edited June 14, 2023 by Remij

[Ike★ 2,908]

A federal court in California has issued a temporary restraining order requested by the FTC that effectively blocks Microsoft's $68.7 billion deal to acquire Activision Blizzard for the time being.

 

 

[Remij 4,679]

16 minutes ago, Ike said:

A federal court in California has issued a temporary restraining order requested by the FTC that effectively blocks Microsoft's $68.7 billion deal to acquire Activision Blizzard for the time being.

 

 

If you think this is anything other than a win for MS, you're retarded  

 

The TRO was always going to be given... simply to allow the FTC to file the PI, and to stop MS from closing before the PI hearing on the 22nd.  The judge ordered that MS must wait at least until 5 days have passed after the decision on the 22nd.. before they can close the deal.  So that means they can still close this deal before July 18th.. 

 

And the reason why the FTC did it so quickly is because they have a very valid reason to believe that the deal has a possibility of going ahead in the UK one way or another.  If they didn't feel that this merger had a shot of happening in the UK, they would be sticking to their original plan of sometime in August.  MS/Activision legitimately baited them.

Edited June 14, 2023 by Remij

[TLHBO 2,162]

17 hours ago, Remij said:

If the preliminary injunction is denied, that allows MS to put a lot more pressure on the CMA with their appeal process, as they'd literally be the only holdout at that point.

 

4 hours ago, Remij said:

If you think this is anything other than a win for MS, you're retarded  

 

The TRO was always going to be given...

Notice how lemshits are always ready to spin the narrative as a win for M$ no matter how the chips fall

[Remij 4,679]

3 hours ago, TLHBO said:

 

Notice how lemshits are always ready to spin the narrative as a win for M$ no matter how the chips fall

Idiot.. you realize that the FTC had this completely tied up in their administrative court process until at least August, right?  That would have forced Microsoft to have to renegotiate and extend the date with Activision and cost them a ton of money...  The fact that the FTC has now filed in federal court means that this will be settled sooner rather than later regarding the FTC and its case... which would then leave the CMA as the sole obstacle.   

 

Again, WHY would the FTC do this... when they had it tied up until at least August, GUARANTEEING that MS would have to either drop their deal or pay to extend and renegotiate with Activision.... if there wasn't a chance of A) MS winning the appeal and working out something with the CMA, or B) MS closing this deal regardless of the CMAs decision and dealing with whatever fallout there would be?

 

Regardless of whether or not MS comes out on top in any of this... this 100% is speeding up the process, and there is still a chance they could close this before their July 18th deadline.

[Cell 421]

There’s a lot of people talking UK politics ITT that have no idea how it works.

 

it’s as simple as this. The CMA aren’t going to budge unless they’re ‘persuaded’ by UK government. We currently have some shady cunts in power and it’s highly possible it may happen but I very much doubt it will happen without some saving face concession (ie, MS offering lenient terms to Sony/Nintendo) if it happens at all. I really do not think at this point the CMA are going to allow MS to get the deal they wanted originally when it’s all wrapped up, if at all. It works a lot different here to in Murica. 

[Remij 4,679]

10 hours ago, Cell said:

There’s a lot of people talking UK politics ITT that have no idea how it works.

 

it’s as simple as this. The CMA aren’t going to budge unless they’re ‘persuaded’ by UK government. We currently have some shady cunts in power and it’s highly possible it may happen but I very much doubt it will happen without some saving face concession (ie, MS offering lenient terms to Sony/Nintendo) if it happens at all. I really do not think at this point the CMA are going to allow MS to get the deal they wanted originally when it’s all wrapped up, if at all. It works a lot different here to in Murica. 

Nobody is saying anything different