Mr. House 3,371 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, jehurey said: LOL he's got guilty pleas, and for some of them, he's even gotten all the way to the SENTENCING part. I mean, seriously? Are you really trying to play ignorant this badly, on purpose? Because going with a guilty until proven innocent mindset is better. Link to post Share on other sites
Sublyminal 177 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, jehurey said: You're right. Rick Gates didn't fight the charges and plead guilty. - Tax fraud from 2011, had nothing to do with Trump Michael Cohen didn't fight the charges and plead guilty...........WITHOUT a plea deal. - Plead to some other bullshit charge and was bent over, had nothing to do with collusion. George Papadapolous didn't fight the charges and plead guilty. 14 whole days in jail woo hoo! Michael Flynn didn't fight the charges and plead guilty. - Proven that Mueller withheld vital information, conviction will be overthrown So you ARE CORRECT...........you didn't get a phone call to be on a jury for those criminal charges, because the defendant didn't want to face a trial by jury and instead started pleading for plea bargains, or just went straight to admitting guilt. Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,231 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, Sublyminal said: So what? He was Mueller before Mueller. His opinion meant little then. Clinton was never indicted, he was impeached but the Democrat-controlled Senate refused to vote on removal, thus Clinton went on to a second term. Ken Starr was doing nothing more than trying to appease his Republican masters, much like Mueller is doing now. When this is all said and done, Mueller will come out stating the same thing as Starr stated. No........a legal opinion that is submitted to the SECOND-MOST important federal court in the entire land (D.C. Circuit Court is usually considered the most important Federal Court outside of the Supreme Court).............counts for something, sweetie. Clinton wasn't indicted because they only thing they had him was a frivolous perjury claim in which he claims he didn't have intercourse. No prosecutor would attempt to try and nail him on something so frivolous. Whereas Mueller has some REAL crimes. Obstructing Justice in the form of firing the FBI Director is real. You know you are losing this argument by the amount of times I'm getting you to type "So what" as your best line of defense. LOL Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,086 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Sublyminal said: So a whole lot of fucking nothing, the mafia family takedown of the century Link to post Share on other sites
Sublyminal 177 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, DynamiteCop! said: So a whole lot of fucking nothing, the mafia family takedown of the century Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,231 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Sublyminal said: Actually Michael Cohen was compaign finance fraud............and he personally named Donald Trump as having directed him to commit the crime, effectively naming him as a unindicted co-conspirator. Its very much a crime he committed while campaign for President.........its not some "old crime". I'm pretty sure when Robert Mueller and James Comey were nailing the New York Mob and Enron..........they got people to cooperate by nailing them on other crimes that aren't directly related to the main guys at the top. Did you honestly think that would work with me? LOL Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,231 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Quote Michael Flynn didn't fight the charges and plead guilty. - Proven that Mueller withheld vital information, conviction will be overthrown Holy shit Are you getting this stuff from right-wing news? Post your link on this. This is DEFINITELY a story that has exclusively been coming out from right-wing websites. LOL I just nailed another "non-partisan" who just so happens to get all their info from right-wing websites. What a shock. Link to post Share on other sites
Sublyminal 177 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, jehurey said: No........a legal opinion that is submitted to the SECOND-MOST important federal court in the entire land (D.C. Circuit Court is usually considered the most important Federal Court outside of the Supreme Court).............counts for something, sweetie. Clinton wasn't indicted because they only thing they had him was a frivolous perjury claim in which he claims he didn't have intercourse. No prosecutor would attempt to try and nail him on something so frivolous. Whereas Mueller has some REAL crimes. Obstructing Justice in the form of firing the FBI Director is real. You know you are losing this argument by the amount of times I'm getting you to type "So what" as your best line of defense. LOL No, you got a so what because he's Mueller from 20 years ago. Not because I'm losing. Firing the FBI director is not obstructing anything, what part of "THE DOJ WORKS AT THE LEISURE OF THE PRESIDENT" didn't you get? Trump can fire anyone he deems unfit to serve under him. Comey fucked up the Clinton fiasco, that is one thing you need to admit. If that had been me or you, receiving classified information on a private server, we would have been bent over and butt raped. Don't try to deny it either, because it actually happened to a Navy commander a few years back. Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,231 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ramza said: Because going with a guilty until proven innocent mindset is better. Tell that to the people who plead guilty. The manuscripts from the courtroom are pretty fascinating. The judge goes through so many questions with the defendant to ask them if they are absolutely sure of what they are doing, are they being unfairly prosecuted against, are they being properly represented by their lawyers, are they of sound mind and thinking clearly about what they are doing by pleading guilty. The judge almost sounds like a caring parent asking the child if they are absolutely positively sure about what they are doing by pleading guilty. And they all calmly say Yes. And they are doing it because they know they've been caught, and they can't get out of it. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. House 3,371 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, Sublyminal said: Link to post Share on other sites
Vini 430 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sublyminal said: Exactly. But it's Link to post Share on other sites
Sublyminal 177 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, jehurey said: Actually Michael Cohen was compaign finance fraud............and he personally named Donald Trump as having directed him to commit the crime, effectively naming him as a unindicted co-conspirator. Its very much a crime he committed while campaign for President.........its not some "old crime". I'm pretty sure when Robert Mueller and James Comey were nailing the New York Mob and Enron..........they got people to cooperate by nailing them on other crimes that aren't directly related to the main guys at the top. Did you honestly think that would work with me? LOL You know what's sad? the fact that you think he committed campaign finance fraud when a former FEC head said this: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ex-fec-commissioners-trump-cohen-hush-payments read link. Link to post Share on other sites
Sublyminal 177 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, jehurey said: Holy shit Are you getting this stuff from right-wing news? Post your link on this. This is DEFINITELY a story that has exclusively been coming out from right-wing websites. LOL I just nailed another "non-partisan" who just so happens to get all their info from right-wing websites. What a shock. Even they had to have gotten the information somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,231 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sublyminal said: No, you got a so what because he's Mueller from 20 years ago. Not because I'm losing. Firing the FBI director is not obstructing anything, what part of "THE DOJ WORKS AT THE LEISURE OF THE PRESIDENT" didn't you get? Trump can fire anyone he deems unfit to serve under him. Comey fucked up the Clinton fiasco, that is one thing you need to admit. If that had been me or you, receiving classified information on a private server, we would have been bent over and butt raped. Don't try to deny it either, because it actually happened to a Navy commander a few years back. You can't fire an FBI director with the intention of blocking an investigation. That IS Obstruction of Justice. A crime is committed when you attempt to do that. Dude.............I absolutely love that I have gotten you to shed your camoflouge. Non-partisan my ass, you are repeating POINT-BY-POINT right-wing talking points..............gee, funny how you have a perfect recollection of previous excuses that Trump and Fox news pundits have been making this past year. Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,231 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Sublyminal said: You know what's sad? the fact that you think he committed campaign finance fraud when a former FEC head said this: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ex-fec-commissioners-trump-cohen-hush-payments read link. Posts foxnews link 1 minute ago, Sublyminal said: Even they had to have gotten the information somewhere. Post your link regarding the claim that "Mueller's team withheld information from the court" Its a right-wing website, isn't it. LOL I got another one pegged. Link to post Share on other sites
Sublyminal 177 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Just now, jehurey said: You can't fire an FBI director with the intention of blocking an investigation. That IS Obstruction of Justice. A crime is committed when you attempt to do that. Dude.............I absolutely love that I have gotten you to shed your camoflouge. Non-partisan my ass, you are repeating POINT-BY-POINT right-wing talking points..............gee, funny how you have a perfect recollection of previous excuses that Trump and Fox news pundits have been making this past year. Holy God, you actually think Comey was fired for not wanting to obstruct for Trump? Really? Comey got fired because he was an inept piece of shit. The fact that you cannot admit this proves that you are lost beyond all reason. Where did I ever say I was non-partisan or hell even partisan to any given party? Link to post Share on other sites
Sublyminal 177 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, jehurey said: Posts foxnews link Post your link regarding the claim that "Mueller's team withheld information from the court" Its a right-wing website, isn't it. LOL I got another one pegged. It was the first one that came up on a Google search. Do you need me to post more? Here how about a more liberal site for you? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/those-payments-to-mistresses-were-unseemly-that-doesnt-mean-they-were-illegal/2018/08/22/634acdf4-a63b-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a4c789bc9112 I am still looking for the Mueller one. If it was only on an alt-right site, I'll immediately recant. Link to post Share on other sites
Sublyminal 177 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Alright, Jerry was right. It appears that the Flynn shit did originate from an alt-right site. My bad. Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,231 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sublyminal said: Holy God, you actually think Comey was fired for not wanting to obstruct for Trump? Really? Comey got fired because he was an inept piece of shit. The fact that you cannot admit this proves that you are lost beyond all reason. Where did I ever say I was non-partisan or hell even partisan to any given party? No. Quote President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting. “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.” Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.” Sweetie.............you're not smart enough to get out of this. Not even close. Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,231 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Jesus, this sounds even more serious when contextualized from a bigger point of view: Quote To understand the true illegality of this, internal polling data is property of the Campaign. Every donor to the campaign financed this thing of value to assist the campaign in legal avenues. What they actually ended up funding is a foreign government's intelligence operation to collate U.S. citizen's data for a foreign country to weaponize. This isn't not financing a hush- money payment to a porn star campaign finance violation. This is stealing from the campaign to generate espionage material for a foreign state. Link to post Share on other sites
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