RX 5700 line benchmarks leak

[Remij 4,682]

Just now, DynamiteCop! said:

Or it's the obvious which everyone but you is catching onto, we all knew Super was coming, they undoubtedly knew much sooner so they advertise a higher price, Nvidia gets set in stone with it and releases and then they undercut that price and release immediately after.

 

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13 minutes ago, Remij_ said:

Even Nvidia's fucked up launches are better than AMD's year late with less features, worse performance and damage control price cuts before launch  

 

Funny thing is.. AMD was set to charge their fans $50 more and they would have gladly done it if Nvidia didn't chin check them.  Now they know their GPUs are worse.. so here we are  

That's the good thing about competition, but AMD definitely has a long way to go.

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Thhbo

[DynamiteCop 2,086]

TNvidiotsHBR

 

 

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4 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

TNvidiotsHBR

 

 

TNHBR!

[lynux3 2,099]

19 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

TNvidiotsHBR

 

 

 

 

[Remij 4,682]

Just now, lynux3 said:

 

 

$50 less for us per card!  Jebaited guiz  

 

 

 

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Just now, Remij_ said:

$50 less for us per card!  Jebaited guiz  

 

 

 

It's fuckin' funny regardless.

 

bu bu i'm done fanboyin'  

 

[DynamiteCop 2,086]

1 minute ago, Remij_ said:

$50 less for us per card!  Jebaited guiz  

 

 

 

It it was always in the strategy then it's brilliant. AMD playing 4D chess. 

 

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RemijHBR. 

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1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said:

It it was always in the strategy then it's brilliant. AMD playing 4D chess. 

 

AMD playing 4D chess and losing to themselves  

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AMD nailed it, AiB vendors like Sapphire should be able to close that gap. 

Edited July 7, 2019 by DynamiteCop!

[Remij 4,682]

20 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

 

 

AMD nailed it, AiB vendors like Sapphire should be able to close that gap. 

Nvidia AiB vendors will extend the performance lead 

 

 

 

"AMD dropped the price out of necessity, not some mental 5D chess mental gymnasitcs... and this is something we confirmed speaking with people who work inside of companies that work with AMD... and also AMD."

 

LOL  

 

AMD's 7nm GPUs can't even beat 12nm Nvidia GPUs.  Nvidia is going to destroy them when their 7nm parts release  

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It’s a pretty good card for $400,  makes it hard to justify spending 100% more for a 2080 Super with 30% better performance.

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2 minutes ago, Remij_ said:

Nvidia AiB vendors will extend the performance lead 

 

 

 

"AMD dropped the price out of necessity, not some mental 5D chess mental gymnasitcs... and this is something we confirmed speaking with people who work inside of companies that work with AMD... and also AMD."

 

LOL  

 

AMD's 7nm GPUs can't even beat 12nm Nvidia GPUs.  Nvidia is going to destroy them when their 7nm parts release  

Lol the last post I read from you,  was in the “this forum is dead” thread,  and you talked about not being a fanboy anymore 

[Remij 4,682]

3 minutes ago, Carlos Vela said:

Lol the last post I read from you,  was in the “this forum is dead” thread,  and you talked about not being a fanboy anymore 

What's being a fanboy about that?  That's the simple truth.  Why can't I laugh at people who think that this is some AMD comeback shit?  AMD should have the performance crown here easily in these segments..  Nvidia's 7nm parts are going to destroy them.  Dynamite actually believes that AMD "jebaited" Nvidia.. rofl.  That's where this is coming from.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Remij_ said:

What's being a fanboy about that?  That's the simple truth.  Why can't I laugh at people who think that this is some AMD comeback shit?  AMD should have the performance crown here easily in these segments..  Nvidia's 7nm parts are going to destroy them.  Dynamite actually believes that AMD "jebaited" Nvidia.. rofl.  That's where this is coming from.

 

 

They're at a 5% performance disadvantage for $100 less, that's a huge win for them. Nvidia has nothing to combat this, it's better than the 2060 S and it's close enough to the 2070 S to where it becomes trivial. 

 

The 5700 XT is the best card on the market right now, it's put itself into the position of what was a GTX 970 situation except this time around it's got no R9 290/390 to contend with. The 2060 Super is dead in the water and the 2070 Super isn't compelling for $100 more especially when AIB's get involved. Sure Nvidia will have AIB's as well but it's just merely going to raise the same differential scale while effectively making the 5700 XT noticeably quieter and cooler, Nvidia has nothing to gain from AIB's. 

 

In terms of the whole jebaited thing, it's logical, we all knew Super was coming a near month before E3 and so did AMD likely long before that. Chances are AMD actually knew exactly what it was while the general public did not, and had to get out in front of it by price fixing higher than the actual MSRP to throw off targets for Nvidia's line.

 

They got skunked. 

 

[Remij 4,682]

14 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

They're at a 5% performance disadvantage for $100 less, that's a huge win for them. Nvidia has nothing to combat this, it's better than the 2060 S and it's close enough to the 2070 S to where it becomes trivial. 

 

The 5700 XT is the best card on the market right now, it's put itself into the position of what was a GTX 970 situation except this time around it's got no R9 290/390 to contend with. The 2060 Super is dead in the water and the 2070 Super isn't compelling for $100 more especially when AIB's get involved. Sure Nvidia will have AIB's as well but it's just merely going to raise the same differential scale while effectively making the 5700 XT noticeably quieter and cooler, Nvidia has nothing to gain from AIB's. 

 

In terms of the whole jebaited thing, it's logical, we all knew Super was coming a near month before E3 and so did AMD likely long before that. Chances are AMD actually knew exactly what it was while the general public did not, and had to get out in front of it by price fixing higher than the actual MSRP to throw off targets for Nvidia's line.

 

They got skunked. 

 

No it's not.  They HAD to drop the price more because they knew at $50 less, nobody in their right mind would choose this garbage over Nvidia's GPUs.  Are they better than their 20X0 counterparts... sure.  They aren't better than their respective 20X0 Super counterparts however.  They are cheaper... and have less features.  Everyone always expected that to be the case.  These cards simply AREN'T enough for AMD... even with the price cuts.

 

And yes, Nvidia will have AiBs which will again destroy these AMD counterparts.  These 5700 cards are loud and hot as fuck and for 7nm, they're terribly inefficient compared to Nvidia's GPUs.

 

And as everyone else who isn't a fanboy knows... especially after these reviews... AMD did not jebait Nvidia.  Nvidia surprised AMD with the Super cards, and AMD realized that their GPUs could no longer compete at that price.  They didn't "throw off" shit dude

 

AMD's in for even more of a world of hurt when Nvidia brings Ampere next year.  That's just a fact.  Nvidia's low end mid ranged cards will support 2nd generation RT cores and these 5700 cards will lose horribly in every metric.

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1 minute ago, Remij_ said:

No it's not.  They HAD to drop the price more because they knew at $50 less, nobody in their right mind would choose this garbage over Nvidia's GPUs.  Are they better than their 20X0 counterparts... sure.  They aren't better than their respective 20X0 Super counterparts however.  They are cheaper... and have less features.  Everyone always expected that to be the case.  These cards simply AREN'T enough for AMD... even with the price cuts.

 

And yes, Nvidia will have AiBs which will again destroy these AMD counterparts.  These 5700 cards are loud as fuck and for 7nm, they're terribly inefficient compared to Nvidia's GPUs.

 

And as everyone else who isn't a fanboy knows... especially after these reviews... AMD did not jebait Nvidia.  Nvidia surprised AMD with the Super cards, and AMD realized that their GPUs could no longer compete at that price.  They didn't "throw off" shit dude

 

AMD's in for even more of a world of hurt when Nvidia brings Ampere next year.  That's just a fact.  Nvidia's low end mid ranged cards will support 2nd generation RT cores and these 5700 cards will lose horribly in every metric.

Don't be such a damn fool and quit playing up totally useless features for cards that don't have the compute to actually make use of them in any competent fashion, it's disingenuous. We all know how RT performs on the entire line of RTX cards and outside of the 2080 Ti it's a shit show, and even for it it's not great. That's not a selling point, it's as of right now a half-baked gimmick in beta being played up as something important for a line of cards that can't really handle it. 

 

In terms of AiB's I'm just going to come out and say it, you're being dumb, really, really dumb. Nvidia and AMD will scale roughly the same from AiB offerings in terms of performance differentials, what we see today will scale linearly upward for both. The difference however is AMD will see more of a benefit, they will see quieter cards, they will see cooler cards, Nvidia already has that so it's not something new to be brought to the table it simply makes the 5700 line more attractive.

 

They didn't surprise anyone, don't be such a damn fool. Even before E3 there were leaks of what Super was and given the circles AMD operates in especially Lisa Su being the niece of Nvidia's CEO do you REALLY think her and the company didn't know exactly what Super was going to be before they stepped on the stage and announced prices for the 5700 line? Of course they knew, and the only way to combat it was to put up artificial pricing which could then be cut mere days before launch so Nvidia could not fire back. 

 

To think they were caught off guard in some way is just retard levels of stupid...

 

 

[Remij 4,682]

7 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

Don't be such a damn fool and quit playing up totally useless features for cards that don't have the compute to actually make use of them in any competent fashion, it's disingenuous. We all know how RT performs on the entire line of RTX cards and outside of the 2080 Ti it's a shit show, and even for it it's not great. That's not a selling point, it's as of right now a half-baked gimmick in beta being played up as something important for a line of cards that can't really handle it. 

 

In terms of AiB's I'm just going to come out and say it, you're being dumb, really, really dumb. Nvidia and AMD will scale roughly the same from AiB offerings in terms of performance differentials, what we see today will scale linearly upward for both. The difference however is AMD will see more of a benefit, they will see quieter cards, they will see cooler cards, Nvidia already has that so it's not something new to be brought to the table it simply makes the 5700 line more attractive.

 

They didn't surprise anyone, don't be such a damn fool. Even before E3 there were leaks of what Super was and given the circles AMD operates in especially Lisa Su being the niece of Nvidia's CEO do you REALLY think her and the company didn't know exactly what Super was going to be before they stepped on the stage and announced prices for the 5700 line? Of course they knew, and the only way to combat it was to put up artificial pricing which could then be cut mere days before launch so Nvidia could not fire back. 

 

To think they were caught off guard in some way is just retard levels of stupid...

 

 

No buddy... you're the one that's being damn stupid.  It's not disingenuous to say that the RTX cards are more future proof than their AMD counterparts.  There's lots of performance improvements and implementations in which RT can run perfectly logically fine on mid ranged GPUs.  You simply have to not be a complete idiot and have a basic understanding of what the hardware is doing to incur that performance hit.  And the fact that you think it's not a selling point for Nvidia but DO see it as a selling point for next gen consoles is what proves to me that you're just damage controlling. lmao

 

In terms of AiBs... no, it's not proven they will scale the same.  In fact, it seems that AMD is pushing these GPUs to their limits... OCing support is magically "broken" in these drivers outside of just increasing the power limit...  I wonder why that is?  AiB cards WILL run quieter and cooler than the FE counterparts... so I don't see why you don't think Nvidia also has something to gain.

 

And dude... Nvidia surprised the FUCK out of AMD.  I absolutely guarantee you they didn't expect Nvidia to respond as quick as they did.  They tried to sucker the early adopters for $50 more than they could until Nvidia launched their answer... but were forced to cut prices before launch to improve the perception of their cards since Nvidia spoiled the party.

 

It's absolutely hilarious that you've convinced yourself that AMD played them.  AMD got played and had to drop the price.  They played themselves