Twinblade★ 3,921 Posted April 14 Author Share Posted April 14 40 minutes ago, David P said: This is the dumbest argument ever. You're comparing Ukraine/Russia war to WW2? Americans were also extremely reluctant to join in another European conflict. Go read some history books. hey genius…what happened when Germany annexed part of Czechoslovakia and the Munich Agreement was signed?Was there long lasting peace in Europe? Or did WW2 break out shortly afterwards? I guess you’re the one who needs to open up a history book. it’s baffling that you fail to see the parallels between now and then. helping Ukraine defend itself is actively REDUCING the chances of a wider war from breaking out….and that’s basically what most geopolitical experts believe, as well as the leaders of the Baltic states who have a long, turbulent history with Russia and know exactly what they’re capable of. but hey if you can save a few bucks on your taxes in the short term I guess that’s what important 🙄 Link to post Share on other sites
David P 40 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 2 minutes ago, Twinblade said: hey genius…what happened when Germany annexed part of Czechoslovakia and the Munich Agreement was signed?Was there long lasting peace in Europe? Or did WW2 break out shortly afterwards? I guess you’re the one who needs to open up a history book. it’s baffling that you fail to see the parallels between now and then. helping Ukraine defend itself is actively REDUCING the chances of a wider war from breaking out….and that’s basically what most geopolitical experts believe, as well as the leaders of the Baltic states who have a long, turbulent history with Russia and know exactly what they’re capable of. but hey if you can save a few bucks on your taxes in the short term I guess that’s what important 🙄 Apples and oranges. Does Russia has design on the entirety of Europe? You think they gonna follow with an invasion of Germany like Germany did to France maybe? Lmao. Rofl, we're back to Russian fear mongering like during the cold war American. This is sad. France and the UK was also bound by treaty to declare war against Germany for invading Poland and they did. NATO weren't bound by treaty to protect Ukraine, it's a whole other thing. NATO chose to escalate this conflict with Russia. Russia won't attack a NATO country regardless of what happens in Ukraine. End of story. but bu experts says. They know exactly what that entails, everyone does. Putin doesn't want to start WW3, you think Ukraine is what's holding him to act on his grandiose Michevalian world war plans? This is the dumbest argument ever. Escalating conflict with Russia is what brings us closer to war. I don't care for your dumb backward view of achieving peace by enabling a war to go on. A few bucks? Lol. Worst economy of my life time and I'm approaching forty. Link to post Share on other sites
Twinblade★ 3,921 Posted April 14 Author Share Posted April 14 2 hours ago, David P said: Apples and oranges. Does Russia has design on the entirety of Europe? You think they gonna follow with an invasion of Germany like Germany did to France maybe? Lmao. Rofl, we're back to Russian fear mongering like during the cold war American. This is sad. France and the UK was also bound by treaty to declare war against Germany for invading Poland and they did. NATO weren't bound by treaty to protect Ukraine, it's a whole other thing. NATO chose to escalate this conflict with Russia. Russia won't attack a NATO country regardless of what happens in Ukraine. End of story. but bu experts says. They know exactly what that entails, everyone does. Putin doesn't want to start WW3, you think Ukraine is what's holding him to act on his grandiose Michevalian world war plans? This is the dumbest argument ever. Escalating conflict with Russia is what brings us closer to war. I don't care for your dumb backward view of achieving peace by enabling a war to go on. A few bucks? Lol. Worst economy of my life time and I'm approaching forty. If you hate the western ideals of freedom and democracy so much then you should probably just move to Russia. Hell, Aza might even let you be his roommate. Then you can both play shitty obscure games together 1 Link to post Share on other sites
David P 40 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 5 hours ago, Twinblade said: If you hate the western ideals of freedom and democracy so much then you should probably just move to Russia. Hell, Aza might even let you be his roommate. Then you can both play shitty obscure games together Coming from the eternal virgin who plays every video game releases in a year and still lives with his mother. Lmao. If Americans were to vote on supporting Ukraine there's a chance the majority would vote no. So much for your democratic process. This is what living in a democracy means, people have different opinions and are free to express themselves without fear of being deported for wrong think. You are just an neocon of the worst kind. You're with Ukraine or you're against democracy. Perfectly spoken like someone who does not actually believe in democracy. CNN — Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, as the public splits over whether the US has already done enough to assist Ukraine. Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. And 51% say that the US has already done enough to help Ukraine while 48% say it should do more. Link to post Share on other sites
Twinblade★ 3,921 Posted April 15 Author Share Posted April 15 9 minutes ago, David P said: Coming from the eternal virgin who plays every video game releases in a year and still lives with his mother. Lmao. If Americans were to vote on supporting Ukraine there's a chance the majority would vote no. So much for your democratic process. This is what living in a democracy means, people have different opinions and are free to express themselves without fear of being deported for wrong think. You are just an neocon of the worst kind. You're with Ukraine or you're against democracy. Perfectly spoken like someone who does not actually believe in democracy. CNN — Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, as the public splits over whether the US has already done enough to assist Ukraine. Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. And 51% say that the US has already done enough to help Ukraine while 48% say it should do more. Thats outdated. U.S. support hit a low last year but the numbers have been trending upward especially as additional funding has been held up in congress. Quote Uptick in Percentage of Americans Who Think U.S. Is Not Helping Ukraine Enough This is the first time that less than 30% of Americans say the U.S. is doing the right amount to support Ukraine, which was the most common view as recently as June, when 43% held this opinion. Last fall saw a surge in the percentage saying the U.S. was doing too much, though that view has subsided since then. Quote Majority Still Favors Supporting Ukraine in Reclaiming Territory Fifty-five percent of Americans think the U.S. should continue to support Ukraine in reclaiming its territory, even if that requires prolonged involvement, rather than ending the conflict as quickly as possible, even if that means ceding territory to Russia (43%). https://news.gallup.com/poll/643601/americans-say-not-helping-ukraine-enough.aspx The only reason the numbers aren't higher is because of MAGA clowns like MTG and Tucker Carlson who are practically on the Kremlin's payroll but still manage to have influence over millions of ignorant republicans. Link to post Share on other sites
David P 40 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 2 minutes ago, Twinblade said: Thats outdated. U.S. support hit a low last year but the numbers have been trending upward especially as additional funding has been held up in congress. https://news.gallup.com/poll/643601/americans-say-not-helping-ukraine-enough.aspx The only reason the numbers aren't higher is because of MAGA clowns like MTG and Tucker Carlson who are practically on the Kremlin's payroll but still manage to have influence over millions of ignorant republicans. Just making the point that people in a democracy have different opinions. Polls are just polls. A lot of people also think we should fix our own problems before trying to save the rest of the world. It would be a lot easier to support this if everything at home was going swell. It isn't, not for Americans, not for Canadians, not for Europeans. You have to understand the reality of some people. Can you imagine struggling to pay rent and food then seeing that they want to sent another 60 billion in some far off country, a country that isn't officially an ally and doesn't even share history with? And personally my biggest problem is that they just can't win, all they can do is fend off Russia until a treaty of some kind. This war either end with the complete destruction of the current Ukrainian regime after years of grueling warfare that will decimate the male population or a treaty that concedes defeat but preserves them. This is how I see it. I might be wrong but that does not make me a pro Russian tool or whatever. You need to stop with that shit. Link to post Share on other sites
Twinblade★ 3,921 Posted April 15 Author Share Posted April 15 9 hours ago, David P said: Just making the point that people in a democracy have different opinions. Polls are just polls. A lot of people also think we should fix our own problems before trying to save the rest of the world. It would be a lot easier to support this if everything at home was going swell. It isn't, not for Americans, not for Canadians, not for Europeans. You have to understand the reality of some people. Can you imagine struggling to pay rent and food then seeing that they want to sent another 60 billion in some far off country, a country that isn't officially an ally and doesn't even share history with? And personally my biggest problem is that they just can't win, all they can do is fend off Russia until a treaty of some kind. This war either end with the complete destruction of the current Ukrainian regime after years of grueling warfare that will decimate the male population or a treaty that concedes defeat but preserves them. This is how I see it. I might be wrong but that does not make me a pro Russian tool or whatever. You need to stop with that shit. Dude, you literally said the west should just give Ukraine to Russia. You would condemn an entire generation of Ukrainians to summary executions, torture, rape, deportation, re-education camps, and god knows what else all to save a few bucks. Sorry but that’s a shitty opinion to have. Link to post Share on other sites
David P 40 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 43 minutes ago, Twinblade said: Dude, you literally said the west should just give Ukraine to Russia. You would condemn an entire generation of Ukrainians to summary executions, torture, rape, deportation, re-education camps, and god knows what else all to save a few bucks. Sorry but that’s a shitty opinion to have. Territories concessions vs their lives. It's not very complicated. Once again downplaying the cost of this conflict and people suffering at home. Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) Chasov Yar is in a cauldron and of course the Nazi Azov and Left Sector battalions refused to go to defend it. Sounds stable. Edited April 15 by Playstation Tablet Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 With so many people leaving and the lowest birth rate on the world it's pretty much over for Ukraine in historic terms. According to Times UK, Ukraine's birth rate is now the lowest in the world. Male life expectancy has dropped to 57-58, the fourth lowest in the world, and Ukraine's population has reduced by 11 million since the war began. Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 When Zelibob says this things are looking REALLY bad. ‼️🇺🇦🏴☠"Can we hold on? No," - Zelensky ▪️Zelensky again said that without the allocation of 60 billion euros in US aid, Ukraine “will have no chance of winning.” ▪️When asked by PBS how long the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to hold out without this help and whether they will be able to repel the offensive of the Russian Armed Forces expected in the coming months, he replied: ▪️"I can tell you frankly: without this support we will have no chance of victory. You need to be much stronger than your enemy. Today the ratio of artillery shells is 1-10. Will we be able to hold out? No. In any case, with this We will be pushed back every day by statistics. To protect 100% of what is under our control, we will need to move from one to comparing numbers, 10-10." ▪️To the journalist’s clarifying question whether this amount will allow one to retain the territory or go on a counter-offensive and break through the defenses of the Russian Federation, Zelensky did not directly answer. He said that Russia is superior to Ukraine in manpower and weapons. Link to post Share on other sites
Twinblade★ 3,921 Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 23 hours ago, David P said: Territories concessions vs their lives. It's not very complicated. Once again downplaying the cost of this conflict and people suffering at home. oh please, you don’t give a shit for Ukranians’ lives. You literally said yourself ‘who cares about Ukraine’ you’d rather bury your hand in the sand and look the other way as Ukrainians are killed and oppressed while you clutch onto the ridiculous notion that the economy in the west is being crippled because other countries decide to give a few measly percentage points of their defense funds to helping a small nation defends its freedom and sovereignty against one of history’s biggest and most dangerous aggressors Link to post Share on other sites
David P 40 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 7 hours ago, Twinblade said: oh please, you don’t give a shit for Ukranians’ lives. You literally said yourself ‘who cares about Ukraine’ you’d rather bury your hand in the sand and look the other way as Ukrainians are killed and oppressed while you clutch onto the ridiculous notion that the economy in the west is being crippled because other countries decide to give a few measly percentage points of their defense funds to helping a small nation defends its freedom and sovereignty against one of history’s biggest and most dangerous aggressors I don't give a shit about shithole Ukraine. It's not the point. The point is having peace and stability. People who think the only ramification is with defense budgets are surely playing dumb. Link to post Share on other sites
Twinblade★ 3,921 Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 2 hours ago, David P said: I don't give a shit about shithole Ukraine. It's not the point. The point is having peace and stability. People who think the only ramification is with defense budgets are surely playing dumb. Why should peace and stability come at the cost of Ukraine's sovereignty and freedom? Why can't we have peace and stability by the aggressor, Russia, simply withdrawing their troops and respecting international law and recognized borders? The fact that you have such unreasonable hate for Ukraine and also have never bothered asking either of those questions makes it clear that you favor Russia which effectively makes you Pro-Russia. You don't have to try to hide that anymore dude. Link to post Share on other sites
David P 40 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 2 minutes ago, Twinblade said: Why should peace and stability come at the cost of Ukraine's sovereignty and freedom? Why can't we have peace and stability by the aggressor, Russia, simply withdrawing their troops and respecting international law and recognized borders? The fact that you have such unreasonable hate for Ukraine and also have never bothered asking either of those questions makes it clear that you favor Russia which effectively makes you Pro-Russia. You don't have to try to hide that anymore dude. Because that's wishful thinking. Ok. Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) Zelenskyy: "The world is cynical, politics is infinitely cynical. They give us weapons so that we are strong enough to contain the Russian onslaught and prevent war in Europe, but not so strong as to destroy Russia and shake the economic profits of our allies." Apparently 350 billion is too little more than the GDP of Greece. They sent 900 tanks and 700 artillery systems. There are literally small European countries with no tanks/apcs and artillery left Edited April 17 by Playstation Tablet Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 In 2024, the Russian economy will grow faster than other advanced economies, says CNBC, citing an updated forecast from the International Monetary Fund. According to new data, Russia's economy will grow by 3.2% this year, which is higher than projected growth rates for the US (2.7%), UK (0.5%), Germany (0.2%) and France (0. 7%). Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) It's just a proxy war where Ukraine will be thrown away like a used condemn. It's not a really important ally like say Israel or Taiwan. Edited April 17 by Playstation Tablet Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,725 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 This is what happens when you grab people on the street. According to Ukrainian resources, about 200 servicemen of the 22nd separate mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces surrendered after the command fled from their positions. The brigade was formed in 2023 in the Chernivtsi region. Link to post Share on other sites
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