Playstation Tablet 1,747 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 130million sold without a single price drop when PS2 Slim had cuts to 99 dollars. The sales are very close to PS2 and if they don't have a Switch 2 coming to replace it can easily match PS2 sales. PS2 butchers it gameswisw but that's a different story all together. The exclusive line up for Switch is very impressive. Edited August 8, 2023 by Playstation Tablet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. House 3,371 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Yeah the market is literally like 5x time bigger than the PS2 era. Look at how Gamecube and Xbox struggled to reach like 20m. So you had ONE successful console for like a 6 years period. Look at the market now, even shitty Xbox Series L is reaching that 20m bar easily and you have two powerhouse consoles that are selling really well simultaneously and despite the fact million of kids are playing games on mobiles exclusively. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,747 Posted August 8, 2023 Author Share Posted August 8, 2023 Raw sales numbers don't tell the whole story. Switch is also more successful than DS with the amount of games sold and pure profit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,041 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 41 minutes ago, Ramza said: Yeah the market is literally like 5x time bigger than the PS2 era. Look at how Gamecube and Xbox struggled to reach like 20m. So you had ONE successful console for like a 6 years period. Look at the market now, even shitty Xbox Series L is reaching that 20m bar easily and you have two powerhouse consoles that are selling really well simultaneously and despite the fact million of kids are playing games on mobiles exclusively. Dreamcast was also in that gen. not that 10 mill is a lot but it was still more competition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MalaXmaS 651 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Nah. PS2 is king. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. House 3,371 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Cooke said: Dreamcast was also in that gen. not that 10 mill is a lot but it was still more competition. It died when the PS2 arrived on the market. Dreamcast was extremely short lived. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,288 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ramza said: It died when the PS2 arrived on the market. Dreamcast was extremely short lived. Sega threw in the towel prematurely, they weren't willing to lose more money to stay in thw fight. DC could have had a semi successful run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Impossible 431 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, Goukosan said: Sega threw in the towel prematurely, they weren't willing to lose more money to stay in thw fight. DC could have had a semi successful run. This is a bit unrealistic. There was no path for Sega at that point. Having weakest console, with the smallest disc capacity, and the least sales would not have helped Sega in the long run. Sales wouldn't have scaled up over time, in fact they would have crashed and burned harder the longer it stayed on the market. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,288 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Mr. Impossible said: This is a bit unrealistic. There was no path for Sega at that point. Having weakest console, with the smallest disc capacity, and the least sales would not have helped Sega in the long run. Sales wouldn't have scaled up over time, in fact they would have crashed and burned harder the longer it stayed on the market. AKA they weren't willing to lose more money to stay in the fight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Impossible 431 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Goukosan said: AKA they weren't willing to lose more money to stay in the fight. Yeah, but I feel like that's the antithesis of a semi-successful run. They avoided an unsuccessful run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. House 3,371 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Nothing could have been done to save the Dreamcast, because it's not the Dreamcast faults that killed the Dreamcast. It's the PS2. That thing had so much hype pre-launch, people were selling their DC before it even came out. People refused to buy a DC because they anticipated the PS2. OMG it's also a DVD player! Now I'm gonna play this new Squaresoft game called The Bouncer. 😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,288 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mr. Impossible said: Yeah, but I feel like that's the antithesis of a semi-successful run. They avoided an unsuccessful run. Success Mindshare wise im referring to, not profits wise... That battle was lost already. "Semi Success" would have come from them pumping more money into it.. Which they weren't willing to do. Example - all the profits Sony made from PS1 and Ps2 were lost on PS3.... PS3 was struggling and Sony was willing to lose all their profits turned PS3 around to have a semi successful run and they entered the PS4 gen with momentum and the rest is history. Wiiu - Wiiu was a dreamcast like failure and like Sega Nintendo bailed on Wiiu... but they willing to take a risk on another potential failure and put in the R&D to create the Switch..... And the rest is history. Sega didn't want to weather the storm and take either one of those risks anymore. They cut their losses and exited the console hardware business Edited August 8, 2023 by Goukosan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,299 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Ramza said: Yeah the market is literally like 5x time bigger than the PS2 era. Look at how Gamecube and Xbox struggled to reach like 20m. So you had ONE successful console for like a 6 years period. Look at the market now, even shitty Xbox Series L is reaching that 20m bar easily and you have two powerhouse consoles that are selling really well simultaneously and despite the fact million of kids are playing games on mobiles exclusively. LOL, its bigger, but its absolutely nowhere near 5x bigger. And no, mobile phone gaming simply doesn't count. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sugarhigh 519 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 No PS2 is way better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. House 3,371 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, jehurey said: LOL, its bigger, but its absolutely nowhere near 5x bigger. And no, mobile phone gaming simply doesn't count. 3 times? 2.5? Why, the mobile market is huge, it can be taken into consideration to some extents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,299 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ramza said: 3 times? 2.5? Why, the mobile market is huge, it can be taken into consideration to some extents. by that logic, we should count Tamagotchi's userbase back in 1998, and people who go gambling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmaltese★ 2,624 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Disagree because Switch was a migration of Nintendo's 2 markets (console and handheld) into one and also because the gaming market is also significantly bigger now. But PS2 also had the dvd angle which no doubt was a major factor in it's success. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. House 3,371 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Just now, jehurey said: by that logic, we should count Tamagotchi's userbase back in 1998, and people who go gambling. Mobile gaming isn't THAT different, the business model differ but they're still games. Hell, some of the best mobile games are consoles ports. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. House 3,371 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, madmaltese said: Disagree because Switch was a migration of Nintendo's 2 markets (console and handheld) into one and also because the gaming market is also significantly bigger now. But PS2 also had the dvd angle which no doubt was a major factor in it's success. Good point. And I'll add that Sony had the PSP during the PS2 era. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ike★ 2,922 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Ramza said: Mobile gaming isn't THAT different, the business model differ but they're still games. Hell, some of the best mobile games are consoles ports. The best ever mobile games (Infinity Blade Trilogy) aren’t even available anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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