How Russian agents have been amplifying tribalism in the US for the past decade

[Vini 430]

 

Shit's fascinating.

 

[lostfool 681]

Nuke Russia

[James Skywalker 528]

1 hour ago, lostfool said:

Nuke Russia

When? In what magnitude?

 

Where? Just within its boarders, but the whole country?

 

What? A microwave nuke or atomic bomb?

 

Who? Is Russia even “Russia” when in another language it’s different?

 

Why? Because you watched a video on YouTube? Is it even real?

[McWicked 825]

10 hours ago, lostfool said:

Nuke Russia

We could achieve the same effect by just sanctioning Russian oligarchs into the ground until they turn on Putin.  If we didn't have Putin's cock holster for a president, anyway.

[Vini 430]

5 hours ago, McWicked said:

We could achieve the same effect by just sanctioning Russian oligarchs into the ground until they turn on Putin.  If we didn't have Putin's cock holster for a president, anyway.

 

And yet the cock holster is tougher on Russia than any previous administration

 

 

 

[jehurey 3,299]

58 minutes ago, Vini said:

 

And yet the cock holster is tougher on Russia than any previous administration

 

 

 

No he isn't.

 

Prove it.

[Vini 430]

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/13/trumps-russia-policy-is-better-than-obamas/

• Authorized lethal military aid to Ukraine. While former President Barack Obama’s administration continuously rejected lethal weapons exports after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014, Trump is said to have personally approved the policy. Whether he told his staff to downplay the decision is immaterial. In fact, Trump has gone even further, selling Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine. These moves could fundamentally change the balance of power on the ground. To be sure, Moscow retains substantial military advantages, but U.S.-made Javelins in Ukrainian hands will reduce the Kremlin’s incentive for large-scale hostilities.
• Shuttered two Russian consulates, multiple diplomatic annexes, and expelled 60 diplomats. While Obama did shut down Russian government installations in Maryland and New York, Trump’s closure of consulates in Seattle and San Francisco and the expulsion of dozens of diplomats are unprecedented and important punitive measures.
• Sanctioned Russian oligarchs and officials. This month, Trump sanctioned nearly 40 oligarchs, the businesses they own or control, and numerous Russian officials. Significantly, the administration justified its latest sanctions in uniquely broad terms, suggesting that future sanctions need not be tied to specific Russian actions.
• Expanded the Magnitsky sanctions list. Trump could have easily refused to expand the Magnitsky sanctions, a list of corrupt Russian officials and human rights violators. Instead, he added names, including Chechen dictator and close Putin associate Ramzan Kadyrov and the son of Russian Prosecutor General Yury Chaika.
• Forced the U.S.-based subsidiaries of Russian state-backed propaganda outlets RT and Sputnik to register as foreign agents. Despite Kremlin complaints, the Justice Department ordered RT America, RIA Global, Reston Translator, and T&R Productions to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. All are now required to disclose their finances and activities in the United States.
• Targeted Russia with sanctions over North Korea, Iran, and Ukraine. The White House sanctioned additional Russian companies and individuals in connection with Moscow’s continued occupation of Crimea and eastern Ukraine. Those targeted included heavy hitters such as Russian Deputy Energy Minister Andrey Cherezov. The administration has also gone after entities known to aid the North Korean and Iranian ballistic missile and nuclear programs. 
• More than tripled defense initiatives to deter Russian aggression in Europe. Trump’s 2018 budget request for the European Reassurance Initiative totaled nearly $4.8 billion. That’s $1.4 billion more than the Obama administration allocated for the 2017 fiscal year.
• Formally blamed Russia for the NotPetya cyberattack last year. The virus, intended to disrupt the Ukrainian financial system, quickly spread to computers around the world including Denmark, India, and the United States. The Trump administration was unambiguous in its determination that the attack “was part of the Kremlin’s ongoing effort to destabilize Ukraine and demonstrates ever more clearly Russia’s involvement in the ongoing conflict.”
• Killed or injured hundreds of Russian mercenaries and dozens of Russian troops in Syria. 

[jehurey 3,299]

13 minutes ago, Vini said:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/13/trumps-russia-policy-is-better-than-obamas/

• Authorized lethal military aid to Ukraine. While former President Barack Obama’s administration continuously rejected lethal weapons exports after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2014, Trump is said to have personally approved the policy. Whether he told his staff to downplay the decision is immaterial. In fact, Trump has gone even further, selling Javelin anti-tank missiles to Ukraine. These moves could fundamentally change the balance of power on the ground. To be sure, Moscow retains substantial military advantages, but U.S.-made Javelins in Ukrainian hands will reduce the Kremlin’s incentive for large-scale hostilities.Authorized by the bipartisan Congress and pressured by both sides in Congress, and pretty much initiated by Jim Mattis
• Shuttered two Russian consulates, multiple diplomatic annexes, and expelled 60 diplomats. While Obama did shut down Russian government installations in Maryland and New York, Trump’s closure of consulates in Seattle and San Francisco and the expulsion of dozens of diplomats are unprecedented and important punitive measures.One of those Russia consulates was practically empty. And Trump did not do it without intense pressure from other branches of government. Putin actually expelled more Western diplomats, and the US never responded to that.
• Sanctioned Russian oligarchs and officials. This month, Trump sanctioned nearly 40 oligarchs, the businesses they own or control, and numerous Russian officials. Significantly, the administration justified its latest sanctions in uniquely broad terms, suggesting that future sanctions need not be tied to specific Russian actions.Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnope. Congress passed those sanctions, they actually passed a Veto-Proof bill.

Trump did not sign the bill until the very last in which the bill WOULD GO INTO LAW BY ITSELF without his signature. And then it was discovered months later that the Trump White House had not enforced the sanctions, and their excuse was that the existince of the sanctions law was "already causing a deterrance" and they did not need to enforce it.  Even though they kept that a secret for many months.

 

13 minutes ago, Vini said:

• Expanded the Magnitsky sanctions list. Trump could have easily refused to expand the Magnitsky sanctions, a list of corrupt Russian officials and human rights violators. Instead, he added names, including Chechen dictator and close Putin associate Ramzan Kadyrov and the son of Russian Prosecutor General Yury Chaika.Nope. Congress did,. They passed a new version of the Magnitsky Act that acts as a global worldwide version. and it was passed before Trump came into office. 2016.  And the law was designed so that Congress ADDS THE NAMES AND THE COUNTRIES to the law and the President basically has to allow them to be added, or else go out of his way to reject it:

• "Unlike the first law, this second law does not require the president to impose any sanctions. Instead, the global version gives the president the legal authority to institute a travel ban and asset freeze on human rights violators in any country, while leaving the president with the discretion to determine whether to do so.

  But to make it more difficult for the president to ignore the law, Congress included in the Global Magnitsky Act a requirement that the president respond within four months to requests from the heads of certain congressional committees for the executive branch to determine whether particular individuals engaged in human rights violations."

• Forced the U.S.-based subsidiaries of Russian state-backed propaganda outlets RT and Sputnik to register as foreign agents. Despite Kremlin complaints, the Justice Department ordered RT America, RIA Global, Reston Translator, and T&R Productions to register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. All are now required to disclose their finances and activities in the United States.Nope. Trump didn't do that, the Department of Justice did. The same Department of Justice that had recused its Attorney General and was essentially being run by Rod Rosenstein. And the DoJ acted on behalf of intelligence coming to the conclusion that RT and Sputnik were being funded from the Kremlim to promote pro-Russian interests in the United States.  That was an assessment from US Intelligence Agencies in a report from January 2017............once again, before Trump became president.
• Targeted Russia with sanctions over North Korea, Iran, and Ukraine. The White House sanctioned additional Russian companies and individuals in connection with Moscow’s continued occupation of Crimea and eastern Ukraine. Those targeted included heavy hitters such as Russian Deputy Energy Minister Andrey Cherezov. The administration has also gone after entities known to aid the North Korean and Iranian ballistic missile and nuclear programs. All of this stems from the Global Magnitsky act...........go read the above. Congress makes these requests formally to the president, and they president pretty much has to allow those additions unless he formally rejects them. The names, the companies, were all requested by Congress.
• More than tripled defense initiatives to deter Russian aggression in Europe. Trump’s 2018 budget request for the European Reassurance Initiative totaled nearly $4.8 billion. That’s $1.4 billion more than the Obama administration allocated for the 2017 fiscal year.No. That is merely a PROPOSAL from Trump's annual budget recommendations. And that proposal for the increase came from Jim Mattis' Department of Defense
• Formally blamed Russia for the NotPetya cyberattack last year. The virus, intended to disrupt the Ukrainian financial system, quickly spread to computers around the world including Denmark, India, and the United States. The Trump administration was unambiguous in its determination that the attack “was part of the Kremlin’s ongoing effort to destabilize Ukraine and demonstrates ever more clearly Russia’s involvement in the ongoing conflict.” LOL a statement from Press Department, Sarah Huckabee Sanders............with no formal action whatsoever.  In other words............the President didn't say it, like Obama explicitly called Putin and Russia out by name in his December 2016 press briefing to the media.
• Killed or injured hundreds of Russian mercenaries and dozens of Russian troops in Syria. Pre-authorized engagement by the local commanders in that area. They notified Russia that if they knew who those people were, then they need to retreat because they have authorization to defend themselves. None of this required Trump's permission.

Bunch of nothing, yet again.

[jehurey 3,299]

Oh, and your article link is basically an op-ed rather than a news article.

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Daniel P. Vajdich is a nonresident senior fellow at the Atlantic Council and former advisor to a number of Republican presidential candidates. @DanielVajdich

 

There goes that.

[McWicked 825]

5 hours ago, Vini said:

And yet the cock holster is tougher on Russia than any previous administration

I have a list of counterpoints, but let's be honest: neither one of them, nor all of them combined. could pop Trumps dick out of your mouth.

 

What do you call the cock holster of Putin's cock holster?  We're going to have to invent some new terminology to describe you, Vini.  

[Vini 430]

Putin's cock holster apparently gave an order to arm the Ukrainians himself. I'm sure Putin was all about it. 

 

[jehurey 3,299]

44 minutes ago, Vini said:

Putin's cock holster apparently gave an order to arm the Ukrainians himself. I'm sure Putin was all about it. 

 

No. He allowed Ukrainians to PURCHASE lethal military weapons.

 

PURCHASE, sweetie. It was an arms deal.

 

Knowing Trump, it probably involved the same type of greasing that they did with Saudia Arabia.

[Playstation Tablet 1,756]

Tinfoil hat conspiracy theories about how Americans are just racist as is. 

[PhantomABS 48]

They medaled in the election the days of playing nice are over

[Teh_Diplomat 2,054]

12 minutes ago, PhantomABS said:

They medaled in the election

 

[SheepKilla 473]

The whole Russia thing is BS at the core. 

[McWicked 825]

17 minutes ago, SheepKilla said:

The whole Russia thing is BS at the core. 

That Russia is doing it, or that you don't believe Russia was doing it?  Because Russia was definitely doing it.  They're still doing it.

[Vini 430]

So which is it is he Putin's puppet or a businessman with self interests? Is he an evil genious or a scatterbrain idiot? 

 

You guys want to have it all with this guy with no consistency whatsoever. 

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by Vini

[McWicked 825]

5 minutes ago, Vini said:

So which is it is he Putin's puppet or a businessman with self interests? Is he an evil genious or a scatterbrain idiot? 

 

You guys want to have it all with this guy with no consistency whatsoever. 

Here comes the straw man.  

[Vini 430]

9 hours ago, jehurey said:

No. He allowed Ukrainians to PURCHASE lethal military weapons.

 

PURCHASE, sweetie. It was an arms deal.

 

Knowing Trump, it probably involved the same type of greasing that they did with Saudia Arabia.

 

Oh wow I thought America just gives arms away you're telling me it was a transaction? Holy shit

 

The point is Obama refused to sell arms to Ukrainians while Trump did not. Obama failed to uphold the red line while Trump did not. 

 

Edited January 6, 2019 by Vini