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1 hour ago, jehurey said:

And did anything notable happen in between 2014 and 2017?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(other than the incredible rise of the opioid epidemic)

Just a culture of enabling 

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13 minutes ago, Cookester15 said:

Just a culture of enabling 

I'm sorry...........shit you pull out of your ass isn't exactly an explanation.

 

You're gonna some real evidence to prove whatever it is you're saying, even though you're not really saying anything.

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49 minutes ago, jehurey said:

I'm sorry...........shit you pull out of your ass isn't exactly an explanation.

 

You're gonna some real evidence to prove whatever it is you're saying, even though you're not really saying anything.

We give out free heroin

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30 minutes ago, Cookester15 said:

We give out free heroin

in order to manage their already existing heroin addiction?

 

maybe someday.........you'll be able to find the ability to tell somebody the full story instead of your selectively edited version of it.

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8 minutes ago, jehurey said:

in order to manage their already existing heroin addiction?

 

maybe someday.........you'll be able to find the ability to tell somebody the full story instead of your selectively edited version of it.

Maybe someday you'll be able to listen to people who actually live in these places and have first hand experience with these problems. 

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4 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

Maybe someday you'll be able to listen to people who actually live in these places and have first hand experience with these problems. 

which is why nobody listens to you.

 

i doubt cooke actually knows either.

 

if I wanna learn where to buy apple crates full of laserdiscs, i'll call you............to find out who you bought them from, so that i can get actual advice from them. LOL

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I love returning to this threads.

 

So what was the subject again?

 

"This is the result of extreme left-leaning policies on a city" ?????????

 

Let's find out:

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/03/its-a-miracle-helsinkis-radical-solution-to-homelessness

 

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It’s a miracle': Helsinki's radical solution to homelessness

Finland is the only EU country where homelessness is falling. Its secret? Giving people homes as soon as they need them – unconditionally

 

Tatu Ainesmaa turns 32 this summer, and for the first time in more than a decade he has a home he can truly say is his: an airy two-room apartment in a small, recently renovated block in a leafy suburb of Helsinki, with a view over birch trees.

 

“It’s a big miracle,” he says. “I’ve been in communes, but everyone was doing drugs and I’ve had to get out. I’ve been in bad relationships; same thing. I’ve been on my brother’s sofa. I’ve slept rough. I’ve never had my own place. This is huge for me.”

 

Downstairs in the two-storey block is a bright communal living and dining area, a spotless kitchen, a gym room and a sauna (in Finland, saunas are basically obligatory). Upstairs is where the 21 tenants, men and women, most under 30, live.

 

It is important that they are tenants: each has a contract, pays rent and (if they need to) applies for housing benefit. That, after all, is all part of having a home – and part of a housing policy that has now made Finland the only EU country where homelessness is falling.

 

When the policy was being devised just over a decade ago, the four people who came up with what is now widely known as the Housing First principle – a social scientist, a doctor, a politician and a bishop – called their report Nimi Ovessa (Your Name on the Door).

 

“It was clear to everyone the old system wasn’t working; we needed radical change,” says Juha Kaakinen, the working group’s secretary and first programme leader, who now runs the Y-Foundation developing supported and affordable housing.

 

“We had to get rid of the night shelters and short-term hostels we still had back then. They had a very long history in Finland, and everyone could see they were not getting people out of homelessness. We decided to reverse the assumptions.”

 

As in many countries, homelessness in Finland had long been tackled using a staircase model: you were supposed to move through different stages of temporary accommodation as you got your life back on track, with an apartment as the ultimate reward.

 

“We decided to make the housing unconditional,” says Kaakinen. “To say, look, you don’t need to solve your problems before you get a home. Instead, a home should be the secure foundation that makes it easier to solve your problems.”

 

With state, municipal and NGO backing, flats were bought, new blocks built and old shelters converted into permanent, comfortable homes – among them the Rukkila homeless hostel in the Helsinki suburb of Malminkartano where Ainesmaa now lives.

 

Housing First’s early goal was to create 2,500 new homes. It has created 3,500. Since its launch in 2008, the number of long-term homeless people in Finland has fallen by more than 35%. Rough sleeping has been all but eradicated in Helsinki, where only one 50-bed night shelter remains, and where winter temperatures can plunge to -20C.

 

The city’s deputy mayor Sanna Vesikansa says that in her childhood, “hundreds in the whole country slept in the parks and forests. We hardly have that any more. Street sleeping is very rare now.”

 

In England, meanwhile, government figures show the number of rough sleepers – a small fraction of the total homeless population – climbed from 1,768 in 2010 to 4,677 last year (and since the official count is based on a single evening, charities say the real figure is far higher).

 

But Housing First is not just about housing. “Services have been crucial,” says Helsinki’s mayor, Jan Vapaavuori, who was housing minister when the original scheme was launched. “Many long-term homeless people have addictions, mental health issues, medical conditions that need ongoing care. The support has to be there.”

 

At Rukkila, seven staff support 21 tenants. Assistant manager Saara Haapa says the work ranges from practical help navigating bureaucracy and getting education, training and work placements to activities including games, visits and learning – or re-learning – basic life skills such as cleaning and cooking.

 

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“A lot of it is really about talking,” says Henna Ahonen, a trainee social worker. And that is “easier when you are actually doing something together, rather than in a formal interview”, Haapa says. “The connection is just … easier. You can spot problems more readily.”

 

Hardly any of the tenants come straight from the street, Haapa says, and those who do can take time to adjust to living indoors. But after a three-month trial, tenants’ contracts are permanent – they can’t be moved unless they break the rules (Rukkila does not allow drug or alcohol use; some other Housing First units do) or fail to pay the rent.

 

Some stay seven years or more; others leave after one or two. In 2018, six tenants moved out to lead fully independent lives, Haapa says. One is now a cleaner, living in her own flat; another studied for a cookery qualification during his five years at Rukkila and now works as a chef.

 

Ainesmaa is on a two-year work experience programme designed to lead to a job. He says the opportunity to sort himself out was priceless: “Look, I own nothing. I’m on the autism spectrum. I think people are my friends, and then they rip me me off. I’ve been ripped off … a lot. But now I have my place. It’s mine. I can build.”

 

Housing First costs money, of course: Finland has spent €250m creating new homes and hiring 300 extra support workers. But a recent study showed the savings in emergency healthcare, social services and the justice system totaled as much as €15,000 a year for every homeless person in properly supported housing.

 

Interest in the policy beyond the country’s borders has been exceptional, from France to Australia, says Vesikansa. The British government is funding pilot schemes in Merseyside, the West Midlands and Greater Manchester, whose Labour mayor, Andy Burnham, is due in Helsinki in July to see the policy in action.

 

But if Housing First is working in Helsinki, where half the country’s homeless people live, it is also because it is part of a much broader housing policy. More pilot schemes serve little real purpose, says Kaakinen: “We know what works. You can have all sorts of projects, but if you don’t have the actual homes … A sufficient supply of social housing is just crucial.”

 

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An under-construction district of Helsinki in 2013.

 

And there, the Finnish capital is fortunate. Helsinki owns 60,000 social housing units; one in seven residents live in city-owned housing. It also owns 70% of the land within the city limits, runs its own construction company, and has a current target of building 7,000 more new homes – of all categories – a year.

 

In each new district, the city maintains a strict housing mix to limit social segregation: 25% social housing, 30% subsidised purchase, and 45% private sector. Helsinki also insists on no visible external differences between private and public housing stock, and sets no maximum income ceiling on its social housing tenants.

 

It has invested heavily, too, in homelessness prevention, setting up special teams to advise and help tenants in danger of losing their homes and halving the number of evictions from city-owned and social housing from 2008 to 2016.

 

“We own much of the land, we have a zoning monopoly, we run our own construction company,” says Riikka Karjalainen, senior planning officer. “That helped a lot with Housing First because simply, there is no way you will eradicate homelessness without a serious, big-picture housing policy.”

 

Finland has not entirely solved homelessness. Nationwide, about 5,500 people are still officially classified as homeless. The overwhelming majority – more than 70% – are living temporarily with friends or relatives.

 

But public-sector planning and collective effort have helped ensure that as a way to reduce long-term homelessness, Housing First is a proven success. “We’re not there yet, of course,” says Vesikansa. “No model is perfect; we still have failures. But I’m proud we had the courage to try it.”

 

The mayor agrees. “We have reduced long-term homelessness by a remarkable amount,” he says. “We must do more – better support, better prevention, better dialogue with residents: people really support this policy, but not everyone wants a unit in their neighbourhood … But yes, we can be very proud.”

 

 

So Helsinki went even FURTHER to the left than Seattle............and they actually got homeless people off the streets and becoming more productive members of society..................YET THEY SAVED MONEY while doing so??????? They even created 300 support jobs in the process yet they SAVED 15,000 Euros per the cost of each homeless person?

 

I seem to remember somebody in this thread saying that this not only solves the problem, but actually saves more money while doing so.:interesting:Who was it?

 

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Im watching the video now. 

 

I like how people blame housing shortages for homelessness, or mental health (As if mentally ill people are guaranteed to be homeless, wtf) but not drugs. It seems to be a drug problem more than anything, not housing or schizophrenics.

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40 minutes ago, jehurey said:

I love returning to this threads.

 

So what was the subject again?

 

"This is the result of extreme left-leaning policies on a city" ?????????

 

Let's find out:

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/03/its-a-miracle-helsinkis-radical-solution-to-homelessness

 

 

So Helsinki went even FURTHER to the left than Seattle............and they actually got homeless people off the streets and becoming more productive members of society..................YET THEY SAVED MONEY while doing so??????? They even created 300 support jobs in the process yet they SAVED 15,000 Euros per the cost of each homeless person?

 

I seem to remember somebody in this thread saying that this not only solves the problem, but actually saves more money while doing so.:interesting:Who was it?

 

Even if you gave all the homeless people houses, they still would have the problems homeless people have, because they're on drugs. 

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Just now, GeorgeW1000 said:

Even if you gave all the homeless people houses, they still would have the problems homeless people have, because they're on drugs. 

No..........looks like you can't even bring yourself to even read the article.

 

They weed out the drug users, and those would-be drug users are, in a way, actually supervised on a daily basis that helps kept them clean and on the straight path.

 

 

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Just now, jehurey said:

No..........looks like you can't even bring yourself to even read the article.

 

They weed out the drug users, and those would-be drug users are, in a way, actually supervised on a daily basis that helps kept them clean and on the straight path.

 

 

So it's a vanity project

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Just now, GeorgeW1000 said:

So it's a vanity project

...............you're not even saying anything that seems like a relevant point.

 

And you clearly hadn't read the article........or else you would've read that its the ONLY country in the EU that has reduced homelessness

 

.........and its reduced it by 35%

 

.............and it actually saves them 15,000 Euro PER EACH HOMELESS PERSON, every year.

 

Explain to me how "vanity" that is?

 

Or actually........let's start small...........try to make an attempt at reading, or is that too much????

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1 minute ago, jehurey said:

...............you're not even saying anything that seems like a relevant point.

 

And you clearly hadn't read the article........or else you would've read that its the ONLY country in the EU that has reduced homelessness

 

.........and its reduced it by 35%

 

.............and it actually saves them 15,000 Euro PER EACH HOMELESS PERSON, every year.

 

Explain to me how "vanity" that is?

 

Or actually........let's start small...........try to make an attempt at reading, or is that too much????

Do you have any proof that the country has the homeless problem seattle or san Francisco have? 

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1 minute ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

Do you have any proof that the country has the homeless problem seattle or san Francisco have? 

Sorry........that isn't going to work.

 

I'm pretty sure homelessness works the same way in every city, everywhere in the world.

 

They reduced homelessness by going EVEN FURTHER in left-leaning policies than either Seattle or San Francisco.

 

Are you.........NOT paying attention to anything I've typed, all of this is in my post.  And you wonder why I think I'm smarter than you.

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1 minute ago, jehurey said:

Sorry........that isn't going to work.

 

I'm pretty sure homelessness works the same way in every city, everywhere in the world.

 

They reduced homelessness by going EVEN FURTHER in left-leaning policies than either Seattle or San Francisco.

 

Are you.........NOT paying attention to anything I've typed, all of this is in my post.  And you wonder why I think I'm smarter than you.

You're pretty sure that homelessness works the same in every city?

WHY then do cities have different homelessness rates? 

 

https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-u-s-cities-with-a-high-homelessness-rate/greg

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12 minutes ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

You're pretty sure that homelessness works the same in every city?

WHY then do cities have different homelessness rates? 

 

https://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-u-s-cities-with-a-high-homelessness-rate/greg

Because cities have programs that MOVE homeless people to other cities, and homeless people are mobile and they move to more preferable cities (which explains Honalulu).

 

Yes homelessness and the reasons for people being homeless WORKS THE SAME everywhere in the world.

 

LOL you don't know jack shit about this, do you?

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39 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Because cities have programs that MOVE homeless people to other cities, and homeless people are mobile and they move to more preferable cities (which explains Honalulu).

 

Yes homelessness and the reasons for people being homeless WORKS THE SAME everywhere in the world.

 

LOL you don't know jack shit about this, do you?

Wow this thread is really stupid.

 

All the people in this thread are advocating for is to arrest and jail criminals who sell and take illegal drugs, thinking it will end the homeless problem, and having them detox while in jail. You want them to detox out of jail, despite them being criminals who do drugs like heroin and meth. 

 

The video posted in this thread shows that a minority maybe 8 out of 599 police calls end up in sending someone to jail. This causes a rise in bold, carefree criminal behavior. The video suggests that Seattle's city counsel won't do this because its "wrong." 

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5 hours ago, GeorgeW1000 said:

Wow this thread is really stupid.

 

All the people in this thread are advocating for is to arrest and jail criminals who sell and take illegal drugs, thinking it will end the homeless problem, and having them detox while in jail. You want them to detox out of jail, despite them being criminals who do drugs like heroin and meth. 

 

The video posted in this thread shows that a minority maybe 8 out of 599 police calls end up in sending someone to jail. This causes a rise in bold, carefree criminal behavior. The video suggests that Seattle's city counsel won't do this because its "wrong." 

LOL and you forget that the "report" comes from NRATV and right-wing Sinclair television stations.

 

They don't "detox" in jail...........and they also end up costing the city millions in medical costs.

 

I love how you're CONTINUALLY RUNNING AWAY to other subjects after I keep on bitch-slapping you.

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On 2019-03-27 at 9:59 PM, Twinblade said:

In many places thats a entry level IT/help desk salary. People who think fast food workers should be making that much are crazy.

I don't think it's an issue which how much money should a fast food worker make, but it's an issue about inflation and regarding how damn expensive is to live.

Even an entry level IT worker can't live with that salary.

The correlation between the median salary and livable conditions are beyond messed up.

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