HoboPass future for devs “ Outriders Dev Doesn't Know How Many Copies It Sold, and Hasn't Earned Any Royalties”

[Ike★ 2,922]

https://www.ign.com/articles/outriders-copies-sold-royalties-square-enix
 

No wonder MS is just buying the studios outright instead of trying to get partners to buy in. There’s no profit or money to be had for them.

[Cooke 2,041]

Did you actually read the article? This has more to do with Square Enix not being upfront with the developer. They say it sold between 2-3 million units and haven't received any royalties from square Enix. 

[DynamiteCop 2,088]

1 hour ago, Cooke said:

Did you actually read the article? This has more to do with Square Enix not being upfront with the developer. They say it sold between 2-3 million units and haven't received any royalties from square Enix. 

Not to mention this game is on four other platforms that are not Xbox... OP is a retard.

[Goukosan 2,283]

1 hour ago, Cooke said:

Did you actually read the article? This has more to do with Square Enix not being upfront with the developer. They say it sold between 2-3 million units and haven't received any royalties from square Enix. 

 

No, did you read it. 

 

"according to the Publisher, the revenues from the sale of the game are lower than the total costs of its production (including Quality Assurance), distribution and promotion."

 

Wojciechowski also suggests that a lack of profitability could be caused by the publisher, including distribution partnerships (the game was launched into Xbox Game Pass, for example)...

[Remij 4,717]

48 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

No, did you read it. 

 

"according to the Publisher, the revenues from the sale of the game are lower than the total costs of its production (including Quality Assurance), distribution and promotion."

 

Wojciechowski also suggests that a lack of profitability could be caused by the publisher, including distribution partnerships (the game was launched into Xbox Game Pass, for example)...

So uh... did you have a point besides proving his?

[Goukosan 2,283]

8 minutes ago, Remij said:

So uh... did you have a point besides proving his?

 

If the distribution partnership wasn't factored in the game would have been profitable at 2 - 3 million sold (guesstimate) and the developers would have gotten royalties.  

 

Which was Ike's point, which is something that you, Cooke and DynamiteCop apparently missed. 

 

the company had no firm data for copies sold: "We don't have any sales figures for Outriders" 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Goukosan

[kaz 2,445]

xbox 

[Mr. House 3,371]

I bet Square Enix are a scummy publisher to work with. Can't even give them sales numbers and doesn't give them a response as to why 0 royalties came on the date it was supposed to.

 

 Am I reading this right or is it just me? lmao  

[Remij 4,717]

2 hours ago, Goukosan said:

 

If the distribution partnership wasn't factored in the game would have been profitable at 2 - 3 million sold (guesstimate) and the developers would have gotten royalties.  

 

Which was Ike's point, which is something that you, Cooke and DynamiteCop apparently missed. 

 

the company had no firm data for copies sold: "We don't have any sales figures for Outriders" 

 

 

No.

 

The article is simply about the publisher not being upfront with the developer.

 

The developer DOESN'T KNOW... so stop pretending like you do.

 

This thread is retarded  

[madmaltese★ 2,617]

That is very surprising considering the game was a huge hit when it launched. Wonder if it's some technicality that PCF get paid on sales which excluded them from the GP deal, which they clearly had no part in? 

 

3 hours ago, Remij said:

 

 

The article is simply about the publisher not being upfront with the developer.

 

 

Not really. The article is about the devs not receiving royalties based on performance which indicate that the game didn't make any profits. They don't know the sales for Outriders because they didn't receive any payment from the royalty deal they agreed to with SE.

[MalaXmaS 651]

Isn't that shitty game also on Flopstation?

[Goukosan 2,283]

4 hours ago, Remij said:

No.

 

The article is simply about the publisher not being upfront with the developer.

 

The developer DOESN'T KNOW... so stop pretending like you do.

 

This thread is retarded  

 

They didn't recieve royalties because the game didn't surpass the threshold to generate a profit and the developer mentions the the distribution partnership with MS as one factor 

[Remij 4,717]

1 hour ago, madmaltese said:

Not really. The article is about the devs not receiving royalties based on performance which indicate that the game didn't make any profits. They don't know the sales for Outriders because they didn't receive any payment from the royalty deal they agreed to with SE.

So what about what you just said contradicts what I said?

 

This isn't a Game Pass issue.. this is a SquareEnix issue... and until SquareEnix reveals the financials of the game... it's pure speculation.  

 

The developer estimates that 2-3 million copies were sold... and that they should be profitable by a certain date.  That date has passed and they still haven't been paid... so either it simply hasn't reached the target that the developer assumes, or it ended up costing more than the developer knows. Regardless, SquareEnix hasn't been upfront with them about the game.  Again, that's not a Game Pass issue..  That's a SquareEnix issue.

[Hot Sauce 2,742]

1 hour ago, madmaltese said:

That is very surprising considering the game was a huge hit when it launched. Wonder if it's some technicality that PCF get paid on sales which excluded them from the GP deal, which they clearly had no part in? 

 

Yeah, it kind of sounds like Square might be pulling a Disney here and fucking them over.

[Ike★ 2,922]

So MS just paid a lump sum to SE to have it listed on GP since they publish and maybe the developer negotiated a contract based on sales? That would be super scummy. 

[Remij 4,717]

3 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

They didn't recieve royalties because the game didn't surpass the threshold to generate a profit and the developer mentions the the distribution partnership with MS as one factor 

 

Read my post above.  It's an article about the Publisher not being upfront with the developer.... not an article about the developer whining that Game Pass ruined their game  

[Goukosan 2,283]

11 minutes ago, Remij said:

 

Read my post above.  It's an article about the Publisher not being upfront with the developer.... not an article about the developer whining that Game Pass ruined their game  

 

The developer isn't whining about GP.... The developer is saying square used GP to fuck them over.   What is it that you don't get? 

Edited August 18, 2021 by Goukosan

[Goukosan 2,283]

6 minutes ago, Ike said:

So MS just paid a lump sum to SE to have it listed on GP since they publish and maybe the developer negotiated a contract based on sales? That would be super scummy. 

 

Yes that's exactly what it is.  They used GP to screw over the devs. 

 

GP will obviously hamper retail sales (despite what Phil and lemmings were saying for a year plus that it wouldn't)....

 

Developer is now left out in the dark because that deal with MS for GP is a publishing deal between MS and Square. 

 

 

[Remij 4,717]

Just now, Goukosan said:

 

The developer isn't whining about GP.... The developer is saying square used GP to fuck them over.   What is it that you don't get? 

 

lmao...   

 

 

So what you're saying is that... the article is about the Publisher not being upfront with them  

 

The developer SUGGESTS... because they don't know.... because.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SquareEnix isn't being upfront with them..  

 

 

[Goukosan 2,283]

2 minutes ago, Remij said:

 

lmao...   

 

 

So what you're saying is that... the article is about the Publisher not being upfront with them  

 

The developer SUGGESTS... because they don't know.... because.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SquareEnix isn't being upfront with them..  

 

 

Because they used GP to knee cap retail sales.  You know the GP model that you swore up and down would increase sales