UK sales: Dragon's Dogma 2 outsold Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin doesn't make the top 10

[Remij 4,679]

 

 

Yea yea, 1 platform vs 3.... that's not the flex you think it is.  Final Fantasy USED to be on 3 platforms as well... and Final Fantasy 7 is the most popular and beloved game in the series..  

 

SquareEnix are so fucking stupid  

 

Also Rise of the Ronin didn't make top 10.  Bad results for that game and they shouldn't have released it around DD2.

 

Edited April 8 by Remij

[DynamiteCop 2,086]

FINALLY EA released C&C Generals on a digital platform, fucking hell.

[Remij 4,679]

11 minutes ago, DynamiteCop said:

FINALLY EA released C&C Generals on a digital platform, fucking hell.

 

Chris said there were ~10 C&C games in the top 20, because EA released them all as a bundle.  I'm gonna have to pick it up now that it's on Steam

 

 

[Goukosan 2,255]

They said it was close, that FF on one system sold about the same about as/close to Dragon Dogma 2 did on 3 systems combined. 

 

That's not the victory you think it is @Remij.

 

This actually validates Square's decision, they focused on one system, used lest resources (manpower, development time and $$) and basically got the same result on the charts as another big AAA game on 3 systems....but came out ahead ROI wise because less was invested. 

[Remij 4,679]

6 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

They said it was close, that FF on one system sold about the same about as/close to Dragon Dogma 2 did on 3 systems combined. 

 

That's not the victory you think it is @Remij.

 

This actually validates Square's decision, they focused on one system, used lest resources (manpower, development time and $$) and basically got the same result on the charts as another big AAA game on 3 systems....but came out ahead ROI wise because less was invested. 

Nah man it is.  Because sales are sales... it doesn't matter the number of platforms.  FF is a massive franchise, and like I said... FF7 is the most beloved entry in the entire series.  Final Fantasy used to be a multiplatform series at launch.  Dragon's Dogma was never the major series Final Fantasy was.

 

There's NO world that exists where SquareEnix used less resources to create FF7 Rebirth than Capcom did for Dragon's Dogma 2  

 

Be honest with yourself man.  FF is a series with tons of legacy... and has been primarily a PS oriented franchise since the release of FF7...  Dragon's Dogma does not have that legacy.

Edited April 8 by Remij

[Twinblade★ 3,921]

Anyone who has played Rebirth can tell you it was an expensive as fuck game….DD2 is not comparable

[Goukosan 2,255]

13 minutes ago, Remij said:

 

There's NO world that exists where SquareEnix used less resources to create FF7 Rebirth than Capcom did for Dragon's Dogma 2  

 

 

No dumbass. FF being on one system required less resources that if square launched FF on multiple platforms. 

 

They'll port it later on for cheaper which would be better for their ROI than launching multi-plat for a minimal increase in sales on Xbox and PC. 

 

[Remij 4,679]

3 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

Anyone who has played Rebirth can tell you it was an expensive as fuck game….DD2 is not comparable

You don't even have had to play it at all to understand that.  It's very clear from the various trailers out there lol

[Remij 4,679]

2 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

No dumbass. FF being on one system required less resources that if square launched FF on multiple platforms. 

 

They'll port it later on for cheaper which would be better for their ROI than launching multi-plat for a minimal increase in sales on Xbox and PC. 

 

Dumbass.... IT STILL COST MORE TO MAKE THAN DD2...

 

And regardless if they port it after or not... their ROI is going to be worse than DD2 is for Capcom  

 

 

Edited April 8 by Remij

[Goukosan 2,255]

5 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

Anyone who has played Rebirth can tell you it was an expensive as fuck game….DD2 is not comparable

 

Yup, expensive as fuck to launch on ONE system.  How much more development resources would it have taken for FF to launch on multiple systems? 

 

Launching on multiple would be even more expensive, they launched on one system and got great results. 

[Goukosan 2,255]

14 minutes ago, Remij said:

Dumbass.... IT STILL COST MORE TO MAKE THAN DD2...

 

And regardless if they port it after or not... their ROI is going to be worse than DD2 is for Capcom  

 

 

 

The comparison is between the cost of FF launching on one system compared to if FF launched on multiple systems. 

 

Which would could more? Square launching on multiple or Square launching on one system. 

 

The Crux of your argument is that square SHOULD HAVE LAUNCHED ON multiple systems. 

 

My response was that they launched on one (which was cheaper than them launching on multiple)    and they still got the same results as another big AAA that launched on 3 systems combined. 

 

They will eventually port it later down the road (which would cost less than launching on multiple systems day 1)  and STILL get good sales on PC.

Edited April 8 by Goukosan

[Remij 4,679]

11 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

The comparison is between the cost of FF launching on one system compared to if FF launched on multiple systems. 

 

Which would could more? Square launching on multiple or Square launching on one system. 

 

The Crux of your argument is that square SHOULD HAVE LAUNCHED ON multiple. 

 

My response was that they launched on one (which was cheaper than them launching on multiple)    and they still got the same results as another big AAA that launched on 3 systems combined. 

And I'm challenging you....  The cost of launching FF on one system compared to it being launched on multiple is NOT the win you think it is.

 

Square launching on multiple consoles would NOT have substantially increased costs over releasing on just one... and then porting to the others a year later.  You're also forgetting that by not releasing on multiple platforms at launch, they're actively hindering their products ability to GROW and reach more people during its biggest selling period.  That has been proven multiple times now. 

 

Look at other Japanese companies succeeding on PC where SquareEnix is absolutely shitting the bed.  FF7Remake launched later and sold like shit on PC compared to what it would have done at launch.  Meanwhile, Capcom Resident Evil games launch day and date and are breaking records with each new installment.  FROMSOFT games are day and date and breaking records on PC with each new Souls type game.. and so on..

 

They didn't get the same results that Dragon's Dogma 2 did.  They made a game which cost substantially more to make, and at the same time limited the potential market to sell it to.....   Do you think any company saying to their investors "yea, but we only released on one platform" would make the reality go away that another game outsold it??  No... they'd be asking "Why aren't we releasing it on those platforms as well then?"... come the fuck on man  

Edited April 8 by Remij

[Goukosan 2,255]

7 minutes ago, Remij said:

And I'm challenging you....  The cost of launching FF on one system compared to it being launched on multiple is NOT the win you think it is.

 

Square launching on multiple consoles would NOT have substantially increased costs over releasing on just one... and then porting to the others a year later.  You're also forgetting that by not releasing on multiple platforms at launch, they're actively hindering their products ability to GROW and reach more people during its biggest selling period.  That has been proven multiple times now. 

 

Dude... look at other Japanese companies succeeding on PC where SquareEnix is absolutely shitting the bed.  FF7Remake launched later and sold like shit on PC compared to what it would have done at launch.  Meanwhile, Capcom Resident Evil games are breaking records with each new installment.  FROMSOFT games are breaking records on PC with each new Souls type game.

 

They didn't get the same results that Dragon's Dogma 2 did.  They made a game which cost substantially more to make, and at the same time limited the potential market to sell it to.....   Do you think any company saying to their investors "yea, but we only released on one platform" would make the reality go away that another game outsold it??  No... they'd be asking "Why aren't we releasing it on those platforms as well then?"... come the fuck on man  

 

Lets be real you're salty they didn't launch on PC and you trying frame the results as a bad thing. 

 

Spin it how ever you want, launching on Multiple systems for FF takes more resource than square launching on multiple systems. 

 

They felt that the additional resources to do that at launch wasn't worth it. 

 

They will eventually port it to PC and still get great sales WHILE spending less to port it.

 

They will tell investors if they met their financial targets or not. And If they met their target, they will tell investors "we expect to see further growth in the sales of this title when we port it to PC for pennies on dollar so that you can purchase another private jet" 

 

Edited April 8 by Goukosan

[Remij 4,679]

Just now, Goukosan said:

 

Lets be real you're salty they didn't launch on PC and you trying frame the results as a bad thing. 

 

Spin it how ever you want, launching on Multiple systems for FF takes more resource than square launching on multiple systems. 

 

They felt that the additional resources to do that at launch wasn't worth it. 

 

They will eventually port it to PC and still get great sales WHILE spending less to port it.

 

omfg..  

 

They didn't "feel that it would cost more"..... Sony paid them some money to keep it off other platforms....

 

And I can tell you with 100% certainty... that it's stifling the series' growth.  Which is why we have games like Dragon's Dogma 2... with not even close to the same amount of pedigree... beating/matching it..

[Goukosan 2,255]

10 minutes ago, Remij said:

omfg..  

 

They didn't "feel that it would cost more"..... Sony paid them some money to keep it off other platforms....

 

And I can tell you with 100% certainty... that it's stifling the series' growth.  Which is why we have games like Dragon's Dogma 2... with not even close to the same amount of pedigree... beating/matching it..

 

Even in that scenario, it's a still about the money.  More private Jets for the investors.  Lol. 

 

If Sony paid, then square felt the money paid was enough for them not to release it on multiple systems at launch and was equal or greater then the money they would have made on those systems at launch. 

 

And they will still port it to PC down the road. Win win for square. 

 

But it still comes back to you being salty about it not launching on PC day 1.

 

Dragon Dogma isn't beating or matching it if FF is doing the same sales numbers on ONE SYSTEM.

 

growth isn't measured in the hear and now. It will be measured throughout the life cycle of the release. 

 

FF on PS5 alone matched DD on 3 systems in the UK. When FF is ported down the road it will surpass DD in the UK.  It may even surpass it on PS5 alone in the UK even before a PC port..lol

Edited April 8 by Goukosan

[Remij 4,679]

7 minutes ago, Goukosan said:

 

Even in that scenario, it's a still about the money.  More private Jets for the investors.  Lol. 

 

If Sony paid, then square felt the money paid was enough for them not to release it on multiple systems at launch and was equal or greater then the money they would have made on those systems at launch. 

 

And they will still port it to PC down the road. Win win for square. 

 

But it still comes back to you being salty about it not launching on PC day 1.

No... I'm not salty at all about this game not being on PC day 1.  I'm discussing why Dragon's Dogma 2 sold more.

 

And you DO realize that FF7 Rebirth was available for the ENTIRE MONTH of March.... while DD2 was available for just a bit over a week.... 

 

You're basically celebrating the fact that SquareEnix is making games that cost far more, selling them to less people than they would have before... and stifling their series' potential by taking deals which hurt them in the long run.... just to say "well it's selling close to the same on a single platform"... lmfao.  The point is Final Fantasy is not selling to its potential.  Meanwhile Dragon's Dogma is GROWING as a franchise.

 

Edited April 8 by Remij

[Goukosan 2,255]

3 minutes ago, Remij said:

No... I'm not salty at all about this game not being on PC day 1.  I'm discussing why Dragon's Dogma 2 sold more.

 

And you DO realize that FF7 Rebirth was available for the ENTIRE MONTH of March.... while DD2 was available for just a bit over a week.... 

 

You're basically celebrating the fact that SquareEnix is making games that cost far more, selling them to less people than they would have before... and stifling their series' potential by taking deals which hurt them in the long run.... just to say "well it's selling close to the same on a single platform"... lmfao.  The point is Final Fantasy is not selling to its potential.  Meanwhile Dragon's Dogma is GROWING as a franchise.

 

 

Nah you're salty.. to the point that you're saying "Bbbbbut FF used to be multi"    just because it wasn't day 1 PC.

 

 

2 hours ago, Remij said:

Final Fantasy used to be on 3 platforms

 

It will still be on multiple platforms... Your salty ass just has to wait.

[Remij 4,679]

Just now, Goukosan said:

 

Nah you're salty.. to the point that you're saying "Bbbbbut FF used to be multi"    just because it wasn't day 1 PC.

 

 

 

It will still be on multiple platforms... Your salty ass just has to wait.

Yea, this convo is done.  

[Goukosan 2,255]

1 minute ago, Remij said:

Yea, this convo is done.  

 

You're right no need to continue.  Just wait, you'll be OK. 

[FIREPOWER 724]

 Didn’t FF7R originally launch in February? What a strange backfire thread.

 

 What are you celebrating for Lemij? FF7R still sold almost as much on one platform as DD on 3 platforms and Square Enix got paid by Sony and had their marketing (which is the majority of expenses of today’s games) paid for by Sony.
 

It’s still a huge win for Square Enix either way you look at it. They will continue to make exclusives for PlayStation because it’s a win-win scenario for them and there’s nothing you can do about it LOL.

Edited April 8 by FIREPOWER