Remij 4,823 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Just now, David P said: It's available to download to like 40m subscribers. Are you guys stupid? 6m PLAYERS is no where near the biggest launch of a Bethesda RPG ever. This is absolute PR spin and you're dumb as to post this. 6m PLAYERS primarily from Gamepass vs 12 million copies shipped (based on pre-orders). They shipped 12M copies... that doesn't mean 12M sales first day Link to post Share on other sites
Quad Damage 1,851 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 microsoft was so impressed with these numbers, it literally made them go third party this is the game that made them realize spending hundred of millions of dollars on a game, and then giving it away for free on on xbox/pc without playstation is an unsustainable failure of a business model thinking they're happy with these numbers is like thinking theyre happy with its 83 MC, straight delusional Link to post Share on other sites
David P 124 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Just now, Remij said: They shipped 12M copies... that doesn't mean 12M sales first day I know but I don't have the launch day one sales. How is 12 million copies shipped at launch day not a bigger launch than 6 million PLAYERS that probably half or more are Gamepass subs? Let's not forget Fallout 4 came out in 2014, day one digital sales aren't comparable to now, let alone a game day one on Gamepass. So, we can safely say, that Starfield definitely didn't generate more revenue. Even Skyrim 3.5m day one sales generate more revenue. So we're stuck with a beefed up number of day one download from Gamepass. Impressive. Link to post Share on other sites
David P 124 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 3 minutes ago, Quad Damage said: microsoft was so impressed with these numbers, it literally made them go third party this is the game that made them realize spending hundred of millions of dollars on a game, and then giving it away for free on on xbox/pc without playstation is an unsustainable failure of a business model thinking they're happy with these numbers is like thinking theyre happy with its 83 MC, straight delusional Biggest Bethesda launch ever though. 6m streamers on day one! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,823 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 6 minutes ago, David P said: I know but I don't have the launch day one sales. How is 12 million copies shipped at launch day not a bigger launch than 6 million PLAYERS that probably half or more are Gamepass subs? Let's not forget Fallout 4 came out in 2014, day one digital sales aren't comparable to now, let alone a game day one on Gamepass. So, we can safely say, that Starfield definitely didn't generate more revenue. Even Skyrim 3.5m day one sales generate more revenue. So we're stuck with a beefed up number of day one download from Gamepass. Impressive. Yeah yea, we know that no game on GamePass will ever be considered a success by you or anyone else here.. Link to post Share on other sites
Cell 514 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Good god Tuckij and JonDownsND been shilling hard in two threads simultaneously and everyone on here is now retarded apart from them. Link to post Share on other sites
David P 124 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Just now, Remij said: Yeah yea, we know that no game on GamePass will ever be considered a success by you or anyone else here.. It's not that, it's just that it's unfair when put into the context of 2014 Fallout 4 release. Different era, the market changed, digital games adoption wasn't high as today and you just can realistically put it up against Gamepass anyway. Shipping 12m copies on day one based on it's estimated potential sales from pre-orders is better than 6m players subs who showed at launch to get their 'free' shit. I know which news I would prefer to hear if I was Todd Howard. Starfield is now at 14m PLAYERS, which is good in of itself but not that crazy for a Bethesda game though. That was whole argument in the first place. I agree with your argument that if it was on PS5 we probably wouldn't be having this discussion but Gamepass is pretty pathetic is what I got out of this the most. Not that I expect all GP users to dl it but this isn't just some new random IP as you say, it's a new Bethesda open world RPG and not a weird MMO spin-off either. You'd think GP would be on fire. Whatever, man. Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,282 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 5 hours ago, Quad Damage said: you have to be a retard in a helmet IRL to think 14m STREAMS is better than 11m SOLD Not when the goal is to get STREAMS Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,332 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 6 hours ago, Quad Damage said: you have to be a retard in a helmet IRL to think 14m STREAMS is better than 11m SOLD Lemmings aren't too bright Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,282 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 32 minutes ago, Goukosan said: Lemmings aren't too bright Lmfao. It ain’t, son. Why do you think every company is pushing the subscription model? A sub is better than a purchase any day of the week. Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,245 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 7 hours ago, Remij said: Yeah yea, we know that no game on GamePass will ever be considered a success by you or anyone else here.. That’s because they generally aren’t. Look at Hell6lade 2. Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,245 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) Remember when Microsoft used to tout engagement numbers and now it’s how many people “touched” the game? https://x.com/screentime/status/1800590822905180588 Edited June 17 by lynux3 Link to post Share on other sites
Tears of the Cows 1,282 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 4 minutes ago, lynux3 said: That’s because they generally aren’t. Look at Hell6lade 2. Look at palworld Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,245 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Just now, Tears of the Cows said: Look at palworld A game that’s not Hell6lade. Cool. Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,332 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 6 hours ago, Tears of the Cows said: Lmfao. It ain’t, son. Why do you think every company is pushing the subscription model? A sub is better than a purchase any day of the week. 1 sub isn't better than one purchase dip shit. With any subscription model, it takes several subs for it to be equal to one purchase. Like I said.. Lemmings aren't too bright Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,332 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 5 hours ago, lynux3 said: Remember when Microsoft used to tout engagement numbers and now it’s how many people “touched” the game? https://x.com/screentime/status/1800590822905180588?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1800590822905180588|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url= @Alphonse can we fix attaching tweets. Tweets don't inbed anymore on SW. Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,823 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 3 hours ago, Goukosan said: 1 sub isn't better than one purchase dip shit. With any subscription model, it takes several subs for it to be equal to one purchase. Like I said.. Lemmings aren't too bright Or you know, just a few months subscribed... Let's say half the people who played the game bought it, and the other half subbed for it. $7M x $70 = $490M 7M subs for one month @ $10 = $70M and lets say people really into the game spend at least a few months playing it. $70M x 3 months = $210M $490M+210M = $700M Again, you guys forget that GamePass, with ~30-35M subscribers is bringing in ~$300-$350M each month... EACH MONTH. $300M x 12 = 3.6B each year. I don't give a fuck what any of you clowns think... MS is NOT SPENDING $3.6B each year on 3rd party GamePass content. We already know that for a fact. They are absolutely making money at this point. The MAJORITY of games which are selling the service to people are owned by Xbox. So, if Starfield's continued updates and story expansions continue to keep subs engaged over months and months... then it will EASILY EASILY generate more money long term than it would have being a one and done sale. Edited June 17 by Remij Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,332 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, Remij said: Or you know, just a few months subscribed... Let's say half the people who played the game bought it, and the other half subbed for it. $7M x $70 = $490M 7M subs for one month @ $10 = $70M and lets say people really into the game spend at least a few months playing it. $70M x 3 months = $210M $490M+210M = $700M Again, you guys forget that GamePass, with ~30-35M subscribers is bringing in ~$300-$350M each month... EACH MONTH. $300M x 12 = 3.6B each year. I don't give a fuck what any of you clowns think... MS is NOT SPENDING $3.6B each year on 3rd party GamePass content. We already know that for a fact. They are absolutely making money at this point. The MAJORITY of games which are selling the service to people are owned by Xbox. So, if Starfield's continued updates and story expansions continue to keep subs engaged over months and months... then it will EASILY EASILY generate more money long term than it would have being a one and done sale. That's alot of "let's say this and let's say that" to spin around the fact that 1 sub isn't equal to 1 purchase Edited June 17 by Goukosan Link to post Share on other sites
Ike★ 2,931 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 So essentially Spider-Man 2 was more profitable than Sevenfield. Got it. Link to post Share on other sites
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