Playstation Tablet 1,734 Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 I still think MS and Sony don't have jackshit on the Youtube play button in the streaming market. It's that powerful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, DynamiteCop! said: A $60 billion dollar business with $25 billion cash on hand doesn't have the ability to build a global network infrastructure and data centers. In terms of all of that with MS, they could buy AMD tomorrow and a number of other manufacturers with their cash on hand, have money to spare and it wouldn't impact their business in the slightest. They're now fully autonomous. You don't get the difference in resources here, Sony is relatively poor on the whole and especially in comparison. You are clueless to how businesses work it seems. All these "ifs, but they could if they wanted".... it's not smart business for them to do it.. that's why they haven't ventured in it. I guess the hardware components in Azure that MS is dependent on other businesses for means that "if no one does business with them they would die" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Remij_ said: Says the guy who is either stupid as fuck or purposefully misunderstands things to build strawmans bu but applez da failur Fucking Gouko Run along and play your little Switch begging for MS to stream xcloud to Nintendo. MS is the one begging for partners for their XCloud service Remij is clueless as fuck.... comparing consumer facing to services for other businesses Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,734 Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) Is Dynamite a moron? If MS actually cut out a customer from their cloud business thats already invested, they'd lose the reputation of a Cloud provider and their Cloud business would collapse overnight from the reputation costs alone. No sane company would rent any server/cloud space from them. Edited June 3, 2019 by Team 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just now, Team 2019 said: Is Dynamite a moron? If MS actually cut out a customer from their cloud business, they'd lose the reputation of a Cloud provider and their Cloud business would collapse overnight from the reputation costs alone. He probably thinks that MS would cut out windows services from Nintendo and Sony too because MS has a gaming division Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,691 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Goukosan said: You are clueless to how businesses work it seems. All these "ifs, but they could if they wanted".... it's not smart business for them to do it.. that's why they haven't ventured in it. I guess the hardware components in Azure that MS is dependent on other businesses for means that "if no one does business with them they would die" You're missing the big point here... That is that streaming games is but one aspect of their future business. It's understood that it IS the future of gaming. Google and MS and Amazon already have the infrastructure. If they wanted to lock Sony out of it.. Sony would have NO CHOICE but to spend that money and build their own..which would never compete.. or they are forced to cooperate and remain dependent. The reason why MS and now Google and Amazon are getting in on this is because (and I said this fucking ages ago on SS.net) that they are pushing ahead gaming into areas which they are uniquely able to excel and be proficient in. Software stacks, datacenters, AI, cloud, ect ect... Areas where Sony and Nintendo have no (or relatively minuscule) investment in. You remove the importance of a physical box... and Sony's advantages start to crumble. Then they become dependent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,691 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Goukosan said: MS is the one begging for partners for their XCloud service Remij is clueless as fuck.... comparing consumer facing to services for other businesses Oh yea? They're begging? Dumb forum idiot can't separate his fanboy shit from reality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,734 Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just now, Remij_ said: Oh yea? They're begging? Dumb forum idiot can't separate his fanboy shit from reality. We know that when XCloud was announced they were the ones that offered the service to Sony and Nintendo. It's not like they have a choice, either they score the deal or Amazon does. Clearly they gave Sony a better deal otherwise they'd go to Amazon. Generally speaking MS's gaming division is a little blip compared to their Cloud division right now, and the CEO is from the Cloud division so he's also an active lobbyst. But in the end MS gave a good deal, Sony recieved a good deal. Nothing personal, just business. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,691 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just now, Team 2019 said: We know that when XCloud was announced they were the ones that offered the service to Sony and Nintendo. It's not like they have a choice, either they score the deal or Amazon does. Clearly they gave Sony a better deal otherwise they'd go to Amazon. Generally speaking MS's gaming division is a little blip compared to their Cloud division right now, and the CEO is from the Cloud division so he's also an active lobbyst. But in the end MS gave a good deal, Sony recieved a good deal. Nothing personal, just business. xCloud and Azure services aren't the same thing... Gouko talking about xCloud begging to be on other devices is just stupid and not relevant... but he thinks it is Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Remij_ said: You're missing the big point here... That is that streaming games is but one aspect of their future business. It's understood that it IS the future of gaming. Google and MS and Amazon already have the infrastructure. If they wanted to lock Sony out of it.. Sony would have NO CHOICE but to spend that money and build their own..which would never compete.. or they are forced to cooperate and remain dependent. The reason why MS and now Google and Amazon are getting in on this is because (and I said this fucking ages ago on SS.net) that they are pushing ahead gaming into areas which they are uniquely able to excel and be proficient in. Software stacks, datacenters, AI, cloud, ect ect... Areas where Sony and Nintendo have no (or relatively minuscule) investment in. You remove the importance of a physical box... and Sony's advantages start to crumble. Then they become dependent. The part I highlighted speaks to the point that YOU ARE MISSING. Those cloud services are for other businesses... AKA corporations like Sony, Netflix, Hulu etc are their customers. Blocking Sony would be bad for business as other corporations wouldn't want to do business with you in fear you would block them one day. If those cloud providers have no customers (other corporations)... they would be pushed out the cloud services business. That's how business work... not every division of a business is consumer facing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voidler 1,675 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said: A $60 billion dollar business with $25 billion cash on hand doesn't have the ability to build a global network infrastructure and data centers. In terms of all of that with MS, they could buy AMD tomorrow and a number of other manufacturers with their cash on hand, have money to spare and it wouldn't impact their business in the slightest. They're now fully autonomous. You don't get the difference in resources here, Sony is relatively poor on the whole and especially in comparison. Sorry what exactly is so expensive and impossible about doing what you describe? Certainly isn’t a $25 billion venture Data centers are just facilities with a network of computers in different places. I’m pretty sure Sony can figure out how to pay rent and create technology stacks. It’s only a question of whether the ROI would be there for them to bother instead of outsourcing Edited June 3, 2019 by Voidler Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,734 Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Remij_ said: xCloud and Azure services aren't the same thing... Gouko talking about xCloud begging to be on other devices is just stupid and not relevant... but he thinks it is Actually there was an insider post about Azure, trusted one. The XCloud service isn't an XBox service, it's a "white service". I wish I could find the post. It's also got hardware agnostic GPU grunt that Sony and Nintendo can rent as a solution, in the current "XCloud". The XCloud naming is actually a bit misleading when you get to the technical side of things. Edited June 3, 2019 by Team 2019 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Remij_ said: Oh yea? They're begging? Dumb forum idiot can't separate his fanboy shit from reality. Begging was your own idiot fanboy terminology that I used against you. The same insiders that leaked the streaming news.. leaked that MS asked EVERYONE about XCloud being on their platform. You turn into such a tool when you get called out for posting stupid shit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Voidler said: Sorry what exactly is so expensive and impossible about doing what you describe? Certainly isn’t a $25 billion venture Data centers are just facilities with a network of computers in different places. I’m pretty sure Sony can figure out how to pay rent and create technology stacks. It’s only a question of whether the ROI would be there for them to bother instead of outsourcing bbbbut Bro but if you outsource instead of doing it internally it means your business is poor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,691 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Goukosan said: The part I highlighted speaks to the point that YOU ARE MISSING. Those cloud services are for other businesses... AKA corporations like Sony, Netflix, Hulu etc are their customers. Blocking Sony would be bad for business as other corporations wouldn't want to do business with you in fear you would block them one day. If those cloud providers have no customers (other corporations)... they would be pushed out the cloud services business. That's how business work... not every division of a business is consumer facing. No shit... This shit happens EVERY SINGLE DAY.. companies depend on each other but that doesn't stop them from making business hard for the other. These 3 companies alone have the ability to do a lot of damage to Sony's aspirations in streaming. But of course they aren't going to do that... they'll want their partners to be successful and expand their operations using their services... no fucking shit.. What I'm saying is at the end of the day MS and Google and Amazon themselves are profiting from this... where Sony has to give them money.. which changes the dynamic of their streaming business. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Remij_ said: xCloud and Azure services aren't the same thing... Gouko talking about xCloud begging to be on other devices is just stupid and not relevant... but he thinks it is 28 minutes ago, Remij_ said: Says the guy who is either stupid as fuck or purposefully misunderstands things to build strawmans bu but applez da failur Fucking Gouko Run along and play your little Switch begging for MS to stream xcloud to Nintendo. You were the one who brought that up bro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,734 Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 The Gaming Division and Azure/Cloud division are seperate, with seperate budgets. The Gaming division pays out of it's own budget into the Cloud division to get their server blades, they don't get it for free. Obviously Sony and everyone else will pay more, but it's not a free service for the gaming division. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,691 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Goukosan said: Begging was your own idiot fanboy terminology that I used against you. The same insiders that leaked the streaming news.. leaked that MS asked EVERYONE about XCloud being on their platform. You turn into such a tool when you get called out for posting stupid shit LMAO this the guy that can't separate consumer facing services from services for other businesses MS' offering xcloud (xbox game streaming) to other consoles, has nothing to do with MS offering streaming capability to them.. MS aren't begging for anything.. rofl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DynamiteCop 2,087 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Just now, Goukosan said: You are clueless to how businesses work it seems. All these "ifs, but they could if they wanted".... it's not smart business for them to do it.. that's why they haven't ventured in it. I guess the hardware components in Azure that MS is dependent on other businesses for means that "if no one does business with them they would die" They don't venture into it BECAUSE THEY CAN'T... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,258 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Remij_ said: LMAO this the guy that can't separate consumer facing services from services for other businesses MS' offering xcloud (xbox game streaming) to other consoles, has nothing to do with MS offering streaming capability to them.. 31 minutes ago, Remij_ said: Says the guy who is either stupid as fuck or purposefully misunderstands things to build strawmans bu but applez da failur Fucking Gouko Run along and play your little Switch begging for MS to stream xcloud to Nintendo. You were the one that brought it up bro... Nice self ownage there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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