JonDnD 3,043 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 If games would stay the same in terms of scope and visual quality it’d make loading times be almost unnoticeable and restarting a level could be almost instant [in PS5 games]. However, since more data can be now used there can also be cases where production might be cheaper and faster when not optimising content, which will lead into having to load much more data, leading back into a situation where you have about the same loading times as today. Link to post Share on other sites
James Skywalker 528 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 So the more fast it gets the slower it gets. Link to post Share on other sites
Delita 698 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 isn’t Sony buying remedy or something though? Link to post Share on other sites
Playstation Tablet 1,884 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Yeah unoptimized, but even then it doesn't matter. We are getting a 40x+ increase in storage space speed read while getting a 2-4x more usable RAM scenario. Transfer speed/RAM total ratio is gong to be very different next gen. Link to post Share on other sites
Voidler 1,681 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 That doesn’t make sense SSD closes a bottle neck. The speed of HDD will increase a lot more than the size of games next gen - which will actually start to become limited by Blu Ray capacities Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 3,043 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Voidler said: That doesn’t make sense SSD closes a bottle neck. The speed of HDD will increase a lot more than the size of games next gen - which will actually start to become limited by Blu Ray capacities Game size next gen is probably going to be absurd. We have games now pulling up on 150 gigs Link to post Share on other sites
kaz 2,508 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 the size of games is insane now Link to post Share on other sites
Voidler 1,681 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, JONBpc said: Game size next gen is probably going to be absurd. We have games now pulling up on 150 gigs Yeah but those have been games that are extremely audio heavy like RDR2 Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,318 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) I bet digital store owners are going to have a rule where they will financially penalize game makers who end up having games with huge file sizes. Probably resulting in an additional "tax" that is taken out of the Developers/Publishers cut of the revenue. And Sony/MS can say that its a necessary tax to maintain their servers. That will force the Publisher to make the developer optimize the game. OR, as Remedy says, this allows developer to be lazy, and the upside to that is they can churn out and finish a game's development faster, so its worth it anyways. If Remedy releases 3 games during the next gen instead of 2 games over that same period of time because they saved time by not needing optimization, then its worth it. Edited November 22, 2019 by jehurey Link to post Share on other sites
-GD-X★ 8,385 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 meh ps5 already won. Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 5,069 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Voidler said: That doesn’t make sense SSD closes a bottle neck. The speed of HDD will increase a lot more than the size of games next gen - which will actually start to become limited by Blu Ray capacities No.. it makes complete sense. The idea of course is that developers intent on pushing boundaries will continue to optimize and design their games around this super fast storage. Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce 2,846 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 37 minutes ago, JONBpc said: Game size next gen is probably going to be absurd. We have games now pulling up on 150 gigs I mean a 100GB game would need to become 4 TB to match the increase in sequential read speeds of a PCIe 4.0 SSD over an HDD. Games could quadruple in size and the difference in sequential read speeds would still be an order of magnitude. This is also all assuming that an increase in disk usage is linear with the requirements of a given scene. Something like RDR3 being 600GB because the game world quadrupled in size wouldn't demand 4x the asset data for individual frames, for example. Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 3,043 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce said: I mean a 100GB game would need to become 4 TB to match the increase in sequential read speeds of a PCIe 4.0 SSD over an HDD. Games could quadruple in size and the difference in sequential read speeds would still be an order of magnitude. This is also all assuming that an increase in disk usage is linear with the requirements of a given scene. Something like RDR3 being 600GB because the game world quadrupled in size wouldn't demand 4x the asset data for individual frames, for example. Well ill take a game developers word over System Warriors. Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,460 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, JONBpc said: Well ill take a game developers word over System Warriors. The developer literally said for scenarios with "not optimizing content" Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,488 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, JONBpc said: Well ill take a game developers word over System Warriors. It's not even a SystemWars thing, it's just common sense what he's saying. He's not saying the SSD "may not be as good as you think", it's just your misinterpretation. Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 3,043 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, lynux3 said: It's not even a SystemWars thing, it's just common sense what he's saying. He's not saying the SSD "may not be as good as you think", it's just your misinterpretation. I mean he flat out says load times could end up being what they are today. There is nothing to misinterpret. Link to post Share on other sites
Teh_Diplomat 2,054 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 33 minutes ago, JONBpc said: Well ill take a game developers word over System Warriors. Until you come across another .Rar file. Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 3,043 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Teh_Diplomat said: Until you come across another .Rar file. Go collect your quarters, pleb Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,488 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, JONBpc said: I mean he flat out says load times could end up being what they are today. There is nothing to misinterpret. And I'm flat out saying that your thread title is misleading, missing crucial context to his statements which you continually ignore, and I'm not disagreeing with him. There's going to be those type of developers... next generation consoles don't solve deadlines, budgets and technical hurdles. Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 3,043 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 minute ago, lynux3 said: And I'm flat out saying that your thread title is misleading, missing crucial context to his statements which you continually ignore, and I'm not disagreeing with him. There's going to be those type of developers... next generation consoles don't solve deadlines, budgets and technical hurdles. Its not misleading, the context is in the thread, and you agree. Ok Dumbo LOL Link to post Share on other sites
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