Remij 4,676 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 (edited) Motherfuckers had to cannibalize their Handheld market and merge it with their traditional market just to find success. It's quite clear Switch wouldn't be anywhere close to PS4 numbers, nor even Xbox One numbers if they hadn't completely merged their two markets together. People are literally ignoring that fact. If the Switch was just a traditional console... it'd be at like maybe 20-25 mil or so After the WiiU's pathetic 14M sales it's clear... Nintendo wasn't ever competing on the traditional market ever again, so they did what they had to do and combined it with their far more successful handheld business. Perfect formfactor for WiiU ports and indie shovelware. The handheld market ate it up like Sheep and the old Nintendo faithful bought them for the one or two Zelda/Mario games that release per gen. What a bullshit "success" Edited August 8, 2020 by HALOmij 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teh_Diplomat 2,054 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynux3 2,072 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Sidekick gaming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voidler 1,675 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Its a fair point. They will break 100 million Switches, but remember back when they sold 100 million Wiis and 154 million DS's Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lostfool 680 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Shit butthurt thread. A lock should be in order Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,676 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 28 minutes ago, lynux3 said: Sidekick gaming. Handholdme gaming Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Remij 4,676 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 They can't even argue this shit. It's #facts Idiot shiip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,026 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) Wii launched at a cheaper price Edited August 9, 2020 by Cooke (not admin cant help Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Voidler said: Its a fair point. They will break 100 million Switches, but remember back when they sold 100 million Wiis and 154 million DS's So by that logic, Sony has also contracted since they used to sell about 90 million PS3s and also 80 million PSPs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmaltese★ 2,557 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Been saying this for a while, even before Switch came out in regards to what would consider it a success given the 3DS sales figures and them merging the console market into their handheld market. Still makes Switch a success but not really a surprise success at all considering NInty's handheld market is gigantic. 2 minutes ago, jehurey said: So by that logic, Sony has also contracted since they used to sell about 90 million PS3s and also 80 million PSPs. Is the PS4 a handheld? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, madmaltese said: Been saying this for a while, even before Switch came out in regards to what would consider it a success given the 3DS sales figures and them merging the console market into their handheld market. Still makes Switch a success but not really a surprise success at all considering NInty's handheld market is gigantic. Is the PS4 a handheld? Doesn't matter. Contraction in hardware sales is contraction. Is it not? What's your theory, those PSP owners dissapated into thin air to no longer play anything? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmaltese★ 2,557 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, jehurey said: Doesn't matter. Contraction in hardware sales is contraction. Is it not? What's your theory, those PSP owners dissapated into thin air to no longer play anything? The whole argument is that Nintendo created a Console/Handheld hybrid and in doing so merged their two markets. Sony hasn't done that. They have just left the handheld market since Vita. Of course it matters lol it's literally the only thing that matters in this case lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, madmaltese said: The whole argument is that Nintendo created a Console/Handheld hybrid and in doing so merged their two markets. Sony hasn't done that. They have just left the handheld market since Vita. Of course it matters lol it's literally the only thing that matters in this case lol No........what exactly are you saying here? People who are playing a handheld.............that clearly has Playstation D-pad, button, shoulder buttons, and they have a PSN account............once the handheld was over, they weren't going to go over to Playstation consoles? They were just going to fall out of gaming, altogether? That's simply too naive. Those gamers ended up being Playstation console gamers or, at worst, Nintendo handheld gamers. They were probably already overlapped as being both Playstation console and handheld gamers. So that helped out future sales of Playstation consoles. It is absolutely the same exact scenario that people are trying to downplay Switch's success. You're adding arbitrary parameters to say that isn't the case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alphonse★ 453 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 why argue such retarded argument Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MalaXmaS 646 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 hours ago, lostfool said: Shit butthurt thread. A lock should be in order Just how your ex-wife locked you out of your own house? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remij 4,676 Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 45 minutes ago, jehurey said: No........what exactly are you saying here? People who are playing a handheld.............that clearly has Playstation D-pad, button, shoulder buttons, and they have a PSN account............once the handheld was over, they weren't going to go over to Playstation consoles? They were just going to fall out of gaming, altogether? That's simply too naive. Those gamers ended up being Playstation console gamers or, at worst, Nintendo handheld gamers. They were probably already overlapped as being both Playstation console and handheld gamers. So that helped out future sales of Playstation consoles. It is absolutely the same exact scenario that people are trying to downplay Switch's success. You're adding arbitrary parameters to say that isn't the case. Obviously they moved to Switch... Lmao @ you not even mentioning the most obvious answer. Makes Switches numbers even more inflated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,230 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Just now, HALOmij said: Obviously they moved to Switch... Lmao @ you not even mentioning the most obvious answer. Makes Switches numbers even more inflated Except Switch is already breaking all sales records, and it had already been supply constrained during two separate summers. It really is funny how you're trying to find a way to downplay it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,254 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, lynux3 said: Sidekick gaming. 2 hours ago, HALOmij said: They can't even argue this shit. It's #facts Idiot shiip Sony just announced the biggest profits in gaming history in a non holiday quarter last week. A few days later... Nintendo surpassed that. Operating income this Quarter (Gaming) Nintendo: 144.737 billion yen Sony (gaming division) 124 billion yen MS: Edited August 9, 2020 by Goukosan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,254 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, madmaltese said: The whole argument is that Nintendo created a Console/Handheld hybrid and in doing so merged their two markets. Sony hasn't done that. They have just left the handheld market since Vita. Of course it matters lol it's literally the only thing that matters in this case lol The resources that Sony poured into this handheld market for Vita and PSP. When Sony left that market, where did those resources go? (1st party Developers, Budgets etc) Edited August 9, 2020 by Goukosan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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