Cooke 2,041 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 21 minutes ago, McWickedSmawt85 said: Let's try again: go ahead and give me the reason(s) why all the other first world countries don't have this problem. I can tell you why Better gun regulation and stricter rules. Guns do not need to be outlawed but they need to be more difficult to obtain so you cant just buy one on a whim and go on a shooting rampage. Also better public education in every other first world country. Home schooling? lmao that should be outlawed Link to post Share on other sites
McWicked 825 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cookester15 said: I can tell you why Better gun regulation and stricter rules. Guns do not need to be outlawed but they need to be more difficult to obtain so you cant just buy one on a whim and go on a shooting rampage. Also better public education in every other first world country. Home schooling? lmao that should be outlawed I think healthcare is also a significant reducer of these types of incidents. If you can afford to get checked out, then it's more likely mental issues will be caught early, before they manifest into these types of actions. I was trying to get this kind of answer out of Slow Johnny. I guess that was expecting too much. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,041 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Just now, McWickedSmawt85 said: I think healthcare is also a significant reducer of these types of incidents. If you can afford to get checked out, then it's more likely mental issues will be caught early, before they manifest into these types of actions. I was trying to get this kind of answer out of Slow Johnny. I guess that was expecting too much. Yes american healthcare plays a role. Its ok to have public roads, firemen, police, schools, but health (the most important thing) is a big no no? ive never understood this mentality.. but hey, America still uses the imperial measurement system. Its like they enjoy being contrary to everyone else just for the lulz. Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,709 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, McWickedSmawt85 said: No other first world country in the world has this type of thing happen on the regular, Slow Johnny. Why not? There is no answer . What do you think ? Do other countries have more guns than people ? Do other countries have "the right to bear arms" Do other countries people hold such importance on that ? There are a lot of crazy Americans . You can't compare America to other countries because shocker, not all countries are obsessed with their rights , and guns . Guns could have been 100 percent banned and this incident would have still happened. Why ? You can't forecably take people's guns because that would start a war within ourselves . Maybe you should phone up Mr Trump and tell him you have a sloution to murder . Now quit being the idiot calling people slow ....because nothing really registers in your head expect for fantasy . Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,709 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, Cookester15 said: I can tell you why Better gun regulation and stricter rules. Guns do not need to be outlawed but they need to be more difficult to obtain so you cant just buy one on a whim and go on a shooting rampage. Also better public education in every other first world country. Home schooling? lmao that should be outlawed So murderers can still murder , they just have to wait a little bit longer ? Problem solved. Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,041 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Just now, Jon2B said: So murderers can still murder , they just have to wait a little bit longer ? Problem solved. No... But having to second guess yourself may prevent it all together. A murderer may have a change of hard if his or her plans are foiled. Im sure you could have figured this out. Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,709 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 Just now, Cookester15 said: No... But having to second guess yourself may prevent it all together. A murderer may have a change of hard if his or her plans are foiled. Im sure you could have figured this out. So your argument is based on "maybes" How many mass killings took place directly after someone bought a gun ? Honest question . Also let's remember buying a gun at a store is not the only way to get a gun. Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,041 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jon2B said: So your argument is based on "maybes" How many mass killings took place directly after someone bought a gun ? Honest question . Also let's remember buying a gun at a store is not the only way to get a gun. I don't know the answer to that. BUT logically speaking it would make a difference, no matter how small, some prevention of murder must be worth inconveniencing gun buyers right? Is ease of purchase really more important than possibly preventing the death of some school kids? It's more difficult to get a drivers license than buying a weapon. Do you not see something wrong with that? Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,709 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 Just now, Cookester15 said: I don't know the answer to that. BUT logically speaking it would make a difference, no matter how small, some prevention of murder must be worth inconveniencing gun buyers right? Is ease of purchase really more important than possibly preventing the death of some school kids? I think making it harder to get guns could possibly prevent normal gun related deaths ( which are a bigger problem tbh , nobody talks about that tho ) I don't think it would stop mass killings . If you're the kind of person that can put your gun on a 95 year old lady or a 13 year old kill and still be able to pull the trigger...I don't think a longer wait period would stop that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Goukosan 2,304 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, Jon2B said: I think making it harder to get guns could possibly prevent normal gun related deaths ( which are a bigger problem tbh , nobody talks about that tho ) I don't think it would stop mass killings . If you're the kind of person that can put your gun on a 95 year old lady or a 13 year old kill and still be able to pull the trigger...I don't think a longer wait period would stop that. it's not about stopping it 100% (as yet), America has too many guns for that to happen over night. Right now It's about reducing the amounts of incidents that involve killings with guns. It can gradually get better year after year but you have to start somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,709 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 I agree Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,299 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Jon2B said: There is no answer . What do you think ? Do other countries have more guns than people ? Do other countries have "the right to bear arms" Do other countries people hold such importance on that ? There are a lot of crazy Americans . You can't compare America to other countries because shocker, not all countries are obsessed with their rights , and guns . Guns could have been 100 percent banned and this incident would have still happened. Why ? You can't forecably take people's guns because that would start a war within ourselves . Maybe you should phone up Mr Trump and tell him you have a sloution to murder . Now quit being the idiot calling people slow ....because nothing really registers in your head expect for fantasy . Switzerland has the third largest amount of guns behind the US and Yemen.........think about that for a second. Think about how small Switzerland is. But more importantly, it probably has a higher rate of gun owners. The US number is inflated, because a single gun owner can have multiple guns. But switzerland has a higher percentage of gun owners, overall. And that is due to their "armed neutrality" laws. Adults who are "fit" are required to be issued a rifle, and are required to attend training every year. Basically their form of mandatory military service. The weapon they are given when they attend militia training, is the weapon they get to keep in their homes. The government literally gives the weapon while they are a "fit" adult. After you have served your militia training years, you can buy the gun from the government, and can keep it with a permit. Highly regulated. Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,709 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 Sure but they have 8 million people . We have over 300 million Link to post Share on other sites
Cooke 2,041 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Jon2B said: Sure but they have 8 million people . We have over 300 million How does this matter? The US has a larger government with more employees, more law enforcement etc. You have the means to enact change but don't do it because its unpopular with most people on the right. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,299 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jon2B said: Sure but they have 8 million people . We have over 300 million ...........and? Was there supposed to be a second half to your post? Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,709 Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 Controller 3 million guns compared to controlling over 300 million guns. Like are you guys even serious ? Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,299 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jon2B said: Controller 3 million guns compared to controlling over 300 million guns. Like are you guys even serious ? what are you talking about? all guns can easily be controlled. guns are made by limited amount of manufacturers, and could be controlled from that point. that's why i specifically said that Switzerland has a higher rate of adults with guns.. The US number is inflated by gun owners who own many guns.. Last time I checked, gun owners only have two hands. Link to post Share on other sites
James Skywalker 528 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) I bukkake party is when a bunch of men shoot a woman in the face (a better mass-shooting). She's already dead, though. Edited October 29, 2018 by Angel Jim Link to post Share on other sites
JonDnD 2,709 Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, jehurey said: what are you talking about? all guns can easily be controlled. guns are made by limited amount of manufacturers, and could be controlled from that point. that's why i specifically said that Switzerland has a higher rate of adults with guns.. The US number is inflated by gun owners who own many guns.. Last time I checked, gun owners only have two hands. You can't control guns already out there which is over 300 million in USA You're comparing a country with the population of NYC with a country with over 300 million people , and the same or more guns Link to post Share on other sites
jehurey 3,299 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 53 minutes ago, Jon2B said: You can't control guns already out there which is over 300 million in USA You're comparing a country with the population of NYC with a country with over 300 million people , and the same or more guns yes you can. impose a tax levy on people owning more than X amount of guns, and it completely stops them from owning any more guns unless they trade-in a gun. that can pass over to ammo purchases. buy-back programs. automatic gun programs if you are ever charged with a violent crime (like domestic violence). and more importantly, you can probably outlaw certain guns being manufactured, so that it creates a high aftermarket, and therefore a lucrative blackmarket that the ATF can then crackdown on. And then slowly move the restrictions onto other weapons. The "oh well, its too far beyond us to do anything now" isn't an answer. Its just defeatist thinking. Link to post Share on other sites
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