The Jacob Blake shooting was justified.

[jehurey 3,230]

10 minutes ago, ghostz life matters said:

Im not glossing over. You said they’re shot more than any race, that simply isn’t true. Ratios are different entirely, and you conveniently left  out that you were referring to the ratio.
 

either way, more white people have been killed by police than black people, so best to clarify you’re referring to ratios moving forward. 

you either understand and acknowledge the meaning of "disproportionately".......or you don't.

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2 minutes ago, jehurey said:

you either understand and acknowledge the meaning of "disproportionately".......or you don't.

You never used that term when you made your original statement. 
 

here it is, again:

 

“There's a reason why black people are getting shot alot more than anybody else”

 

except, well, they’re flat out not. 

[jehurey 3,230]

11 minutes ago, Twinblade said:

Sorry, but the data is simply NOT on your side

 

In 2015, there were over 3,587,400 confrontations between the public and police officers

 

1104 of those ended with the use of lethal force

 

Thats roughly a percentage of 0.00031. And it doesn't even take into consideration how many were completely justified

 

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6406

 

How can you look at these numbers and think Police brutality is an issue? How can you look at them and think that calling for police defunding isn't completely side stepping the actual problems that lead to these deaths in the first place?

 

 

So, in other words there's a police shooting 21 times a week in America.

 

"once in a blue moon"

 

Are you intentionally being misleading with 3.5 million "confrontations"?????????????

 

Or are those merely any incident in which a police officer speaks with a person?  Is that what you are calling a "confrontation?"

 

Yes, there is Police Brutality.

 

 

Try spinning that one.

[jehurey 3,230]

Just now, ghostz life matters said:

You never used that term when you made your original statement. 
 

here it is, again:

 

“There's a reason why black people are getting shot alot more than anybody else”

 

except, well, they’re flat out not. 

Except I talked about population size/ population percentage.

 

That is clearly alluding to proportionality.

 

Notice how YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE A TANGENTIAL ARGUMENT............AND AVOIDING TALKING ABOUT "DISPROPORTION"????????????????????

 

Black people have a 2.8x greater chance of getting shot than a white person.

 

DO you acknowledge that........or not?

[Tears of the Cows 1,209]

Just now, jehurey said:

Except I talked about population size/ population percentage.

 

That is clearly alluding to proportionality.

 

Notice how YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE A TANGENTIAL ARGUMENT............AND AVOIDING TALKING ABOUT "DISPROPORTION"????????????????????

 

Black people have a 2.8x greater chance of getting shot than a white person.

 

DO you acknowledge that........or not?

Do black people commit more crime? We don’t even have to look at ratios to see black people murder more and rob more. Now if we look at ratios, blacks do it significantly higher. 
 

so it seems like they put themselves in harm way, a lot more. 

[Twinblade★ 3,920]

1 minute ago, jehurey said:

So, in other words there's a police shooting 21 times a week in America.

 

"once in a blue moon"

 

Are you intentionally being misleading with 3.5 million "confrontations"?????????????

 

Or are those merely any incident in which a police officer speaks with a person?  Is that what you are calling a "confrontation?"

 

Yes, there is Police Brutality.

 

 

Try spinning that one.

This whole discussion and chain of events is about America and you suddenly bring in other countries for no reason whatsoever. Talk about completely dodging the issue, it would have been easier to just admit that you don't have a rebuttal.

[jehurey 3,230]

Just now, ghostz life matters said:

Do black people commit more crime?

Sorry, you are not moving the argument to something else.

 

You have been this the entire time.............you run to a tangential argument because YOU INTENTIONALLY AVOID wanting to speak about the main issue.

 

Do you understand that black people are disproportionately targeting more and result in more police shootings than white people???????? Yes or No????????

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1 minute ago, jehurey said:

Sorry, you are not moving the argument to something else.

 

You have been this the entire time.............you run to a tangential argument because YOU INTENTIONALLY AVOID wanting to speak about the main issue.

 

Do you understand that black people are disproportionately targeting more and result in more police shootings than white people???????? Yes or No????????

Black people are not targeted more. Black people commit more crime. 
 

 

[jehurey 3,230]

1 minute ago, Twinblade said:

This whole discussion and chain of events is about America and you suddenly bring in other countries for no reason whatsoever. Talk about completely dodging the issue, it would have been easier to just admit that you don't have a rebuttal.

Yeah............because how can YOU PROVE that police in America are not the problem?

 

Without demonstrating that their policing is the same as any other comparable country?

 

You're trying to project onto me what YOU ARE DOING.

 

You just claimed that police brutality IS NOT A PROBLEM IN AMERICA.

 

I just proved that American cops clearly engage in more confrontations than any other police force in any other country.

 

What is you response?

[jehurey 3,230]

Just now, ghostz life matters said:

Black people are not targeted more. Black people commit more crime. 
 

 

How do you know that?

 

You just contradicted yourself with your statement that white people are getting shot more.

 

That means WHITE PEOPLE are committing more crimes in those police confrontations, are they not?

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2 minutes ago, jehurey said:

How do you know that?

 

You just contradicted yourself with your statement that white people are getting shot more.

 

That means WHITE PEOPLE are committing more crimes in those police confrontations, are they not?

From the FBIs stat tables. Black people murder and rob more. And yet, white people are still shot more. 
 

You have no argument. 
 

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by ghostz life matters

[Remij 4,679]

Sometimes though you gotta admit, if they'd just shut the fuck up and listen to orders, they'd be shot far less lol

[jehurey 3,230]

Just now, ghostz life matters said:

From the FBIs stat tables. Black people murder and rob more. And yet, white people are still shot more. 
 

You have no argument. 
 

 

NNNNNNnnnope..........you just tried to NARROW THE TYPES OF CRIMES.

 

ALL CRIMES:

 

 

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3 minutes ago, jehurey said:

NNNNNNnnnope..........you just tried to NARROW THE TYPES OF CRIMES.

 

ALL CRIMES:

 

 

And who murders & robs more? 
 

also.. despite being 13% of the population blacks make up for nearly 30% of crime. Isn’t that oddly close to your 2.8x stat?

 

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by ghostz life matters

[jehurey 3,230]

1 minute ago, ghostz life matters said:

And who murders & robs more? 
 

also.. despite being 13% of the population blacks make up for nearly 30% of crime. Isn’t that oddly close to your 2.8x stat?

 

 

NNNNNNNope............you don't get to narrow down CRIMINALS AND THEIR CRIME.

 

White people commit MORE CRIMES.

 

Acknowledge it. Or you have lost all credibility in this thread.

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1 minute ago, jehurey said:

NNNNNNNope............you don't get to narrow down CRIMINALS AND THEIR CRIME.

 

White people commit MORE CRIMES.

 

Acknowledge it. Or you have lost all credibility in this thread.

And yet, blacks commit 30% of the country’s crimes.... while being 13% of the population. Thanks for confirming that, I didn’t even notice it. 

and 50% of murders and robberies.. WOW

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by ghostz life matters

[Tears of the Cows 1,209]

50% of the country’s murders and robberies come from 13% of the population. 
 

No way to spin that. 

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50 minutes ago, ghostz life matters said:

Black people aren’t getting shot more than anyone else. There have been more white people, for example, killed by police this year. 

Ohhh, Ghostz coming in with the all lives matter energy. Mask off homie. 

[Twinblade★ 3,920]

25 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Except I talked about population size/ population percentage.

 

That is clearly alluding to proportionality.

 

Notice how YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE A TANGENTIAL ARGUMENT............AND AVOIDING TALKING ABOUT "DISPROPORTION"????????????????????

 

Black people have a 2.8x greater chance of getting shot than a white person.

 

DO you acknowledge that........or not?

America is a different country with a different culture. thats how its ALWAYS been, and its not because of your imaginary police brutality

 

But if you really want to play that game....you do realize that FAR more police are likely to be killed in America than in other countries right???? You can't just completely ignore the other side of the argument....

 

Lets take Canada for example

 

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Over the past decade in Canada, there has been an average of 1.8 police killed by homicide per year. Statistics Canada estimates there are about 70,000 sworn officers in the country.

 

In contrast, figures from the U.S. National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund show there is close to one police officer killed on the job per week. The Bureau of Justice Statistics pegs the total number of sworn officers in the U.S. at more than 750,000.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/4-decades-of-canadian-police-homicides-by-the-numbers-1.4781581

 

 

So theres 1.8 officers a year killed in Canada vs an average of 52 a year in the U.S.....yet you're somehow surprised that American police feel more threatened and are more likely to shoot & kill? really??  

 

You lose dude....just quit while you can.

 

 

 

 

[jehurey 3,230]

Just now, ghostz life matters said:

And yet, blacks commit 30% of the country’s crimes.... while being 13% of the population. Thanks for confirming that, I didn’t even notice it. 

and 50% of murders and robberies.. WOW

 

Look at how he just ran away from the main subject, and tried to bash blacks to make himself feel better.

 

The 2.8x times more was more than white people based on their population.

 

Not 2.8x more crime.

 

Notice how you AVOID TALKING ABOUT PROPORTION when it comes to police brutiality, but you immediately understand the concept when you (think) it benefits you.

 

In that crime numbers, white people also commit MORE CRIMES than their percentage as a population.