Microsoft preparing Gamepass for Switch, will publish multiple games on Switch.

[jehurey 3,237]

The fact that there's meetings to determine what games are allowed gives the distinct impression that Nintendo has the leverage.

 

But, it still begs to reason..........what's in it for Nintendo?

 

Sure, it could help Switch sales, but that's a little too vague of an assumption.  They could make some money by getting a small cut of GamePass revenue, but Nintendo doesn't really need that money. Nintendo would ask for something in return.

 

For example, favors such as Microsoft releasing the Scalebound IP, have Rare giving back the Diddy Kong Racing ip.

 

Possibly have Rare develop games for them as a second-party agreement? Possibly have Rare develop a Diddy Kong Racing game, or maybe another Perfect Dark, or Nintendo works a three-way deal to get the Bond license back and gets Rare to develop it?

[JonDnD 2,636]

Lol that's a ridiculous assumption 

[JonDnD 2,636]

5 hours ago, Team 2019 said:

@ Jon. Let's say Doom is on the Eshop, and Doom is on Gamepass. That's a conflict of interest.

 

Nintendo will never allow that. It will be curated by Nintendo. So you're never going to get Game Pass parity with PC/XBox.

If there is 100 games that's gonna be a lot of 3rd party. 

[jehurey 3,237]

19 minutes ago, Jon2B said:

Lol that's a ridiculous assumption 

There's no reason for Nintendo to be this generous to Microsoft.

 

Allowing Minecraft to use Xbox Live for online mode? Yeah, Nintendo absolutely wouldn't care about that, they had no online system ready at that time.

 

Allowing Microsoft to create an Xbox Live app for the Switch? Might raise some eyebrows, not technically taking any potential game sales away from Switch, but still raises questions.

 

Allowing Microsoft to offer games through GamePass or xCloud? That means that Microsoft is collecting money from people and Nintendo isn't getting a cut. That simply does not happen. Games have to be licensed in order to be played on the Switch.

 

Nintendo is not going to allow that for free. They're going to want something in return.

 

And no, Microsoft allowing Nintendo to put their games on Xbox is not worth anything in value. LOL

[JonDnD 2,636]

How would Nintendo not get a cut ?

 

And it's definitely worth something.  All the droughts that Nintendo has would be eliminated with game pass .

[DynamiteCop 2,086]

25 minutes ago, jehurey said:

There's no reason for Nintendo to be this generous to Microsoft.

 

Allowing Minecraft to use Xbox Live for online mode? Yeah, Nintendo absolutely wouldn't care about that, they had no online system ready at that time.

 

Allowing Microsoft to create an Xbox Live app for the Switch? Might raise some eyebrows, not technically taking any potential game sales away from Switch, but still raises questions.

 

Allowing Microsoft to offer games through GamePass or xCloud? That means that Microsoft is collecting money from people and Nintendo isn't getting a cut. That simply does not happen. Games have to be licensed in order to be played on the Switch.

 

Nintendo is not going to allow that for free. They're going to want something in return.

 

And no, Microsoft allowing Nintendo to put their games on Xbox is not worth anything in value. LOL

Who says that Nintendo is being generous? Nintendo has nothing to offer Microsoft beyond software, that is their only value. You guys greatly overstate Nintendo's importance for something that is so much larger then them. This move would fast track Nintendo into the modern era and have them on board with the capable technology and features Microsoft could provide with no work required on their end. They don't have to develop anything, they don't have to implement anything, they don't have to spend a dime.

 

They'd have access to an entire existing community, a vastly better gaming network, game services, achievements, Game Pass/xCloud which provide third party games they can't get, Microsoft's software... What does Nintendo offer? All they have are games.

 

 

Edited February 22, 2019 by DynamiteCop!

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11 hours ago, jehurey said:

now that's a politician-like promise, use of the word "fully" in order to make it easier to get out of.

 

Sounds like something Hillary Clinton would say.

So what if all the same games are not included in both Switch and Xbox versions of Gamepass?  Because if the time comes that Gamepass does in fact show up on Switch BUT doesn't include all games? Would you think Jon would be welching if he didn't get a Switch?

 

Because in my opinion, if all games don't come included then you might get "Gamepass" on Switch.... however, you're not getting the real true Gamepass.  It's not black and white unfortunately.  I think it would be reasonable for Jon to NOT get the Switch if all of his favorite games are not on the platform.

Edited February 22, 2019 by S#$@%^i

[jehurey 3,237]

6 minutes ago, S#$@%^i said:

So what if all the same games are not included in both Switch and Xbox versions of Gamepass?  Because if the time comes that Gamepass does in fact show up on Switch BUT doesn't include all games? Would you think Jon would be welching if he didn't get a Switch?

 

Because in my opinion, if all games don't come included then you might get "Gamepass" on Switch.... however, you're not getting the real true Gamepass.  It's not black and white unfortunately.  I think it would be reasonable for Jon to NOT get the Switch if all of his favorite games are not on the platform.

Well, jon is coming from the perspective of somebody who already has an Xbox.

 

That's a small minority, to say the least.

 

There's garbage games on GamePass.

Pumped BMX Pro, We Happy Few, ARK Survival Evolved, Rush A Disney Pixar Adventure, Hello Neighbor, Human Fall Flat, Epic Mickey 2.

 

Nobody considers these to be dealbreakers, not even jonny.

[jehurey 3,237]

12 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

Who says that Nintendo is being generous? Nintendo has nothing to offer Microsoft beyond software, that is their only value. You guys greatly overstate Nintendo's importance for something that is so much larger then them. This move would fast track Nintendo into the modern era and have them on board with the capable technology and features Microsoft could provide with no work required on their end. They don't have to develop anything, they don't have to implement anything, they don't have to spend a dime.

 

They'd have access to an entire existing community, a vastly better gaming network, game services, achievements, Game Pass/xCloud which provide third party games they can't get, Microsoft's software... What does Nintendo offer? All they have are games.

 

 

LOL.

 

If Nintendo had nothing to offer, Microsoft wouldn't have gone around trying to put GamePass on Switch.

 

hell, Microsoft wouldn't have bothered even making Minecraft on Switch.

 

Switch has an actual userbase of people who are paying money for gaming products.  Switch userbase, for all intents and purpose, is the larger ACTIVE userbase.

 

Microsoft can't even make a Press Release saying that GamePass has reached over 10 Million subscribers. Think about that.........they supposedly have over 40 million consoles sold. They can't even say that they've sold more than 10 million GamePass subscriptions.

 

That means something is going on with the Xbox userbase.

 

Microsoft is the one who needs help to expand. Not Nintendo.

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10 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Well, jon is coming from the perspective of somebody who already has an Xbox.

 

That's a small minority, to say the least.

 

There's garbage games on GamePass.

Pumped BMX Pro, We Happy Few, ARK Survival Evolved, Rush A Disney Pixar Adventure, Hello Neighbor, Human Fall Flat, Epic Mickey 2.

 

Nobody considers these to be dealbreakers, not even jonny.

What if all Halo's, Gears and Forza games were excluded on the Switch as well any future MS first party exclusives?  Sure, he'd get Epick Mickey and those games but not the titles he loves.  What now?  Should he still be forced to buy a Switch due to this wager?

Edited February 22, 2019 by S#$@%^i

[DynamiteCop 2,086]

6 minutes ago, jehurey said:

LOL.

 

If Nintendo had nothing to offer, Microsoft wouldn't have gone around trying to put GamePass on Switch.

 

hell, Microsoft wouldn't have bothered even making Minecraft on Switch.

 

Switch has an actual userbase of people who are paying money for gaming products.  Switch userbase, for all intents and purpose, is the larger ACTIVE userbase.

 

Microsoft can't even make a Press Release saying that GamePass has reached over 10 Million subscribers. Think about that.........they supposedly have over 40 million consoles sold. They can't even say that they've sold more than 10 million GamePass subscriptions.

 

That means something is going on with the Xbox userbase.

 

Microsoft is the one who needs help to expand. Not Nintendo.

Like I said in the post you just quoted.. Nintendo has software to offer...

 

It doesn't mean anything, you're trying to infer your own thinking as the position of Microsoft and are introducing frivolity that "If Microsoft doesn't do or say X then Y can't be or isn't possible". That's not how things, bud. 

[JonDnD 2,636]

27 minutes ago, jehurey said:

Well, jon is coming from the perspective of somebody who already has an Xbox.

 

That's a small minority, to say the least.

 

There's garbage games on GamePass.

Pumped BMX Pro, We Happy Few, ARK Survival Evolved, Rush A Disney Pixar Adventure, Hello Neighbor, Human Fall Flat, Epic Mickey 2.

 

Nobody considers these to be dealbreakers, not even jonny.

That small minority is bigger than Switch . There is a lot of trash , but there is also a LOT of really good games .

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Jon2B said:

That small minority is bigger than Switch . There is a lot of trash , but there is also a LOT of really good games .

 

 

yeah, gamepass is pretty awesome. 

[jehurey 3,237]

1 hour ago, S#$@%^i said:

What if all Halo's, Gears and Forza games were excluded on the Switch as well any future MS first party exclusives?

The Microsoft is completely wasting their time to bring a service that isn't going to convince anybody to subscribe.

 

I'm pretty sure Microsoft knows which games are the ones that convince people to pay $10 a month for, and it sure isn't Epic Mickey 2.

[jehurey 3,237]

1 hour ago, DynamiteCop! said:

Like I said in the post you just quoted.. Nintendo has software to offer...

 

It doesn't mean anything, you're trying to infer your own thinking as the position of Microsoft and are introducing frivolity that "If Microsoft doesn't do or say X then Y can't be or isn't possible". That's not how things, bud. 

Nintendo is about two things:

 

-Making software to help sell their hardware (which is sold at a profit)

-Ensuring that their games are ever-green and remain full priced for as long as possible.

 

The Xbox serves ZERO NEED for Nintendo.

 

Microsoft needs Nintendo because Nintendo's userbase is now exceeding Xbox's.

 

Microsoft can't even get TEN MILLION subscribers to pay $10 a month for GamePass. And they have sold 40 million Xbox Ones.  The real reason is that there is not actual userbase of 40 million Xbox players.

 

We all know they have purchased second Xbox revisions, or traded in to get an Xbox revision. Wouldn't surprise me if the actual Xbox userbase was around 25 to 28 million. The Switch is now reaching a point where it is exceed that number.

 

Switch has a REAL userbase. That is what they have to offer to Microsoft.

[jehurey 3,237]

1 hour ago, Jon2B said:

That small minority is bigger than Switch . There is a lot of trash , but there is also a LOT of really good games .

 

 

No its not.

 

Microsoft can't even make a press release that GamePass has exceed 10 million subscribers.

 

They're offering Halo, Forza, and new releases like Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, and Crackdown 3 on release day.......for $10 a month.

 

Absolutely great price for a gaming rental service.

 

And their last press release is that they have "multiple millions of subscribers."  How the hell do they not have over TEN MILLION subscribers? You got 40 million Xbox Ones sold, how do they not have at least a "quarter" of that on GamePass?

[JonDnD 2,636]

You don't know how many people have gamepass . Stop pretending you do .

[DynamiteCop 2,086]

3 minutes ago, Jon2B said:

You don't know how many people have gamepass . Stop pretending you do .

He's arbitrarily hinging GamePass adoption on Microsoft announcing figures i.e. if Microsoft doesn't announce a specific milestone such as 10 million in his example then they have not hit that level of adoption.

 

It's about the dumbest logic one could have.

[jehurey 3,237]

33 minutes ago, Jon2B said:

You don't know how many people have gamepass . Stop pretending you do .

They don't have over 10 million.

 

They would've announced that. Instead, at that X018 conference event, Phil Spencer said:
 

Quote

 

No, I think it’s about choice for gamers. We are seeing incredible growth with Game Pass, we have millions of subscribers today. But also, every game that is in Game Pass, you can buy that game.

 

THere are 40 million Xbox Ones sold.............you telling me that it isn't embarrassing if they can't get a least a quarter of that amount of Xbox owners to buy the BEST VALUE service that Microsoft has ever had?

 

You know they don't have 10 million. And you know that if they did cross 10 million, they would've said so.

 

Just like they like announcing the amount of Xbox Live users.

[DynamiteCop 2,086]

5 minutes ago, jehurey said:

They don't have over 10 million.

 

They would've announced that. Instead, at that X018 conference event, Phil Spencer said:
 

THere are 40 million Xbox Ones sold.............you telling me that it isn't embarrassing if they can't get a least a quarter of that amount of Xbox owners to buy the BEST VALUE service that Microsoft has ever had?

 

You know they don't have 10 million. And you know that if they did cross 10 million, they would've said so.

 

Just like they like announcing the amount of Xbox Live users.

This idiot is doing exactly what I told you Jon lol...

 

39 minutes ago, DynamiteCop! said:

He's arbitrarily hinging GamePass adoption on Microsoft announcing figures i.e. if Microsoft doesn't announce a specific milestone such as 10 million in his example then they have not hit that level of adoption.

 

It's about the dumbest logic one could have.